In the Space SE question Are Starlink satellites flaring? there was a (now deleted) comment to the effect:

I've given up astrophotography because not a single image can be taken that is not stricken out.

My question there is specifically about the satellite flare phenomenon, but the discussion in comments is about the greater problem of starlink satellites, both in their frequent orbital boost stage when they can be pretty close and have one orientation, and when they are in their final orbital altitudes.

Satellites in LEO (low Earth orbit) are only really visible when they are sunlit, so ones like Starlink that are only a few hundred kilometers above Earth are only simultaneously illuminated by the Sun and viewable from Earth's surface for periods after sunset and before sunrise, and more towards the west and the east, respectively.

So is it true that for amateur astrophotography, say wide field exposures, things are currently so much worse due to the Starlink satellites up there now that it's almost hopeless to obtain a nice result without a Starlink or three in it?

Or, for the longer exposures, do people generally do image stacking (without, or with an equatorial mount) for reasons of saturation and noise as well as motion, and actually Starlinks up there now have not made things substantially worse (yet) or almost hopeless?

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    I'm the one who experienced that. I am at 28°N. The last paragraph is the important one here, the exposure times, stacking and postprocessing. Techniques exist to eliminate the trackls, but all cause loss of detail.
    – Earthworm
    May 14 at 11:18
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    @Earthworm thanks for stopping by! :-)
    – uhoh
    May 14 at 11:19
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    much more people gave up on astrophotography because the rotation of the earth was wrecking their long exposure photos... you can always find an excuse if you need one ;-P
    – szulat
    May 14 at 13:45
  • @szulat: Very helpful. It's a CCD with a pretty high efficiency cooled to 80K below ambient connected to a refractor. Single exposure times 10s of seconds up to 10 minutes depending on setup and aim (usually minutes for the fainter things). I do other things during the daytime.
    – Earthworm
    May 14 at 15:10

Satellites in ANY orbit are only visible when sunlit. Starlink satellites are in low earth orbit (LEO).

As an astronomer and astrophotographer I can see some satellites -- even quite late -- if they are in a high enough orbit.

LEO satellites are typically visible shortly after sunset or shortly before sunrise because they are not on sunlight very long before passing into Earth's shadow. BUT... this depends on your latitude.

The Earth's axis is tilted roughly 23 1/2° relative to our ecliptic plane. This defines the Arctic and Antarctic Circles (depending on the time of year the Sun never sets). But "astronomical twilight" is defined as the point where the Sun is less than 18° below the horizon (due to the refraction effects of the atmosphere). At your summer solstice, you can add the 18° to 23 1/2° to get 41 1/2° from your nearest pole. This means that for some observers the StarLink satellites may be a problem at any hour of the night ... depending on time of year combined with that observer's latitude.

Having said that ... astrophotographers have been plagued with satellites passing through their images for years. StarLink is just the latest (and by no means, the last) of their issues.

Some stacking (integration) techniques are good at dealing with these problems.

In "stacking" the astrophotographer takes multiple images ... which are ultimately integrated to create a single master image. Images are aligned and then "integrated". In a simplistic integration algorithm, the pixel values for a single given pixel are simply averaged across each sample image. If a satellite or aircraft flies through a just one of many images (suppose it is 10 images) then the averaging method means that the trail of the satellite or aircraft is reduced to just 1/10th of what it would be (since 9 of the 10 sample images did not have the aircraft).

These techniques work well for astrophotographers capturing deep-sky objects. Astrophotographers capturing "nightscape" images (single images of the sky and landscape) do not have multiple sample images that they can use for statistical integration methods ... elimination of light trails from satellites is much more challenging in that scenario.

More sophisticated algorithms ... such as sigma-clipping ... use statistical algorithms to detect outliers. E.g. if 9 of 10 images say an pixel should be "dark" and just one sample images says that pixel should be "bright" then if you consider statistical mean & standard deviation ... 9 samples say the pixel should be "dark" and 1 sample says the pixel should be "bright". Based on statistical methods, the single sample that says the pixel should be "bright" is considered a statistical outlier and the outlier pixels in that sample are rejected ... entirely. This causes satellite trails to COMPLETELY disappear.

  • Thanks for this very nice explanation, I hadn't heard of sigma clipping before but it makes total sense if used correctly. I wonder why "nightscape" photographers wouldn't use multiple images for better dynamic range, to avoid a lone car's headlight on a mountain-top road in the distance, an airplane or satellite, or if they didn't have a motor drive and wanted a longish exposure for dim things, or to get some meteors. I haven't tried astrophotography since a very long time ago so have no feeling for these things, I'm a gedankenphotographer :-)
    – uhoh
    May 16 at 0:51
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    +1 for rejection stacking. I see starlinks in a few sub-exposures but they are eliminated in the final image. I have no plans to give up astrophotography.
    – chili555
    May 17 at 23:14
  • @chili555 the answer seems to suggest that rejection stacking is not used for "'nightscape' images (single images of the sky and landscape)", that they "do not have multiple sample images". But the point of my comment is that I think that this would be common practice, and you seem to confirm this.
    – uhoh
    May 17 at 23:19

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