I have found a rather cheap Mamiya G 50mm f4 lens on ebay that has some tiny scratches on the rear element of the lens. Now, I have done some research on how much such scratches could affect the quality, but I have basically read everything from 'completely unusable' to 'absolutely no effect whatsoever'.

My question is: How much will such scratches generally affect the image? Will there be less of a problem since it is Medium Format? The scratches seem to be visible only from a certain angle as well.

The scratches are only really visible in the third image:

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    \$\begingroup\$ The "duplicate" addresses only the effect of front element scratches. This Q is concerned about rear element scratches. \$\endgroup\$
    – xiota
    Commented Feb 12, 2019 at 8:31

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The only way to know the effect of particular marks on lens elements is to take test images with different settings and lighting conditions.

For this particular lens, I would expect the marks:

  • May be limited to the coating and have no discernible effect on image quality.
  • May be visible when the lens is stopped down.
  • Could cause glare or flare when used in strong lighting conditions.

Ask the seller for some sample images:

  • With lens stopped down completely, a plain-white surface. Such an image will be most likely to show shadows of the marks. It will also show unrelated lens and sensor dust.

  • With lens wide open, a colorful object next to a window during daylight. This will show the extent of veiling glare, which may or may not be related to the marks. This will show the worst veiling glare that you can expect from a particular lens.

  • A sun star, with the lens stopped down and focused at infinity. This will show veiling glare, flare ghosts, and other flare, which may or may not be related to the marks. Some lenses that show horrible veiling glare with an object next to a window have no veiling glare in this scenario.

  • Some other pictures of ordinary subjects in ordinary shooting conditions, to see how the lens performs normally.

The following appears to be the generally received wisdom regarding marks on lens elements. The inconsistent information you have seen may be incomplete or confused. I have observed most of these effects, but there may be additional factors I have missed.

  • Marks that scatter light are more likely to affect image quality than marks that block light. (Coating of oil vs scratches.)

  • Light-blocking marks on the rear element are more likely to affect image quality than marks on the front or internal elements.

  • Light-blocking marks are more likely to be visible when the aperture is stopped down. Small marks would be expected to show up around F11. Larger marks might show up sooner.

  • Light-blocking marks in the center of an element (at any aperture) are more likely to reduce sharpness or contrast than marks around the periphery.

  • Light-blocking marks may appear (at any aperture) in images as veiling glare or flare.

  • Light-blocking marks may be visible (at large apertures) within bokeh balls.

  • Cleaning marks, often limited to the coating, may not be apparent in images at any aperture.

I would not expect sensor size or film format to change the aperture at which effects are observable. However, the perceived effect may be smaller, relative to frame size, on larger formats. Consider what would happen if a lens were moved from one format to another without changing settings or camera position. Details seen in the smaller format should still be present in the larger format.

Some lens characteristics, like certain types of flare, (reportedly) show up on digital, but not film, because the sensor is reflective or otherwise responds to light somewhat differently. This could affect the visibility of rear-element scratches on images as light reflects between the sensor and rear element.

Some people claim that filling in scratches with ink will reduce flare caused by scratches. I have not seen any positive effect when I've tried it. What I did see is increased visibility of scratches within bokeh balls.

  • \$\begingroup\$ Thank you for this very detailed answer! I have asked the seller if I could test the lens and send it back if necessary. If he agrees I will definitely take into account all of your advice. \$\endgroup\$
    – Moeman
    Commented Feb 11, 2019 at 8:52
  • \$\begingroup\$ It would be better for both you and the seller for the seller to take the sample pictures for you than to risk the hassle and expense of mailing it back and forth. If the seller is unable or unwilling to take sample pictures, use that fact to haggle the price down. \$\endgroup\$
    – xiota
    Commented Feb 11, 2019 at 9:26
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    \$\begingroup\$ Yes you are right of course. For analog gear, however, I think sellers often don't want to go through the whole process of developing and scanning. Also it is not a private person but an ebay shop and I don't think that he has a Mamiya 6 to actually test the lens. But you are right that it would make the whole thing a lot easier. \$\endgroup\$
    – Moeman
    Commented Feb 11, 2019 at 9:41

How will tiny scratches on rear element affect image quality?

Only slightly more than tiny scratches on the front of a lens will - which is to say not at all most of the time.

It takes a LOT of damage from scratches or fairly sizeable obstructions before they become noticeable! These photos from Roger Cicala's two blog entries linked directly above at lensrentals.com illustrate just how far a lens can be damaged or obstructed with very little impact on image quality.

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In the second linked blog entry, Roger places pieces of sticky notes on the front and back lens elements as well. Note that such pieces of paper are solid and near opaque and cover much more surface area than a scratch would. He discovered the greatest effect of things on the rear element was with long focal length lenses stopped down to narrow apertures. All four images below were shot at f/6.3

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Here's an 85mm f/1.2 lens with a sticky note piece on the back at various apertures:

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If the scratches are causing a perceptible effect on your images, then masking them with a very fine (to minimize the size of the mark) black marker can reduce the amount of flare to which the scratches may contribute.


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