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Can anyone tell me why when taking the following 3 photos, in a room with natural light coming in and fill my viewfinder...

a) when I take a photo of a white piece of card it comes up as grey in colour?

b)when I take a photo of a black piece of card it comes up slightly darker in colour? and

c) When I overlap the cards, the white half is lighter and the black half is black?

        R   G   B
White   156 156 156
Black   139 139 139
½ White 176 176 176
½ Black 30  30  30

Thanks

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    You're shooting in auto, I presume? – Tetsujin Aug 12 '18 at 14:59
  • Hi im shooting in A – PhotoH Aug 12 '18 at 15:41
  • Just want to understand why the results come out as they do - if you can help, that would be great - thanks – PhotoH Aug 12 '18 at 15:43
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    Possible duplicate of How does 18% exposure algorithm work? – xiota Aug 12 '18 at 17:29
  • You may want to add the exposure settings (ISO setting, aperture, shutter speed) to your list (you can find them in the EXIF data of each picture). – jcaron Aug 13 '18 at 12:49
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Your camera's light meter can't tell the difference between a black cat in a coal mine and a white cat in a snowstorm. It assumes everything you point your camera at is somewhere about halfway in between those extremes. That's why the best card to use to set exposure is a grey card.

Unless you tell it otherwise, many cameras will try to expose whatever you point it at to that medium value.

Light meters have gotten a little more sophisticated in recent years, but you have to give them something to work with. When the entire field of view is more or less the same color and brightness, the added logic doesn't have much to go on.

Some cameras are getting pretty good at guessing better with actual scenes, especially those with RGB+IR light meters which use all three primary colors plus near-infrared to meter the scene and compare it to a library in the firmware that will probably be able to tell the difference between a bright blue sky in the top of the frame and dark green forest in the lower part of the frame. The light meters in older and many entry level cameras are monochrome and can't meter in color, so they have to guess even more and often get tricky situations completely wrong.

Guidance from the photographer can go a long way, even when the photographer isn't necessarily very knowledgeable about the intricacies of exposure. one way a novice photographer can give the camera a hint is with scene modes. Most entry level cameras have a few or more scene modes.

Scene modes are a way of the less knowledgeable or less experienced photographer telling the camera what the conditions of the photo are so that the camera can use the appropriate settings to maximize the chances of a successful photo.

One example: Snow or beach scene.

The more experienced photographer understands that a camera doesn't know if we are photographing a black cat in a coal mine or a white cat in a blizzard. The more experienced photographer knows how to alter the camera's settings to make the scene look bright without totally overexposing the image or dark without totally underexposing the image. The novice does not usually know they need to do this, much less how to do this.

Unless we tell the camera to do differently, the camera will try and make everything a medium brightness. So if the camera is set on full "Auto", a picture of the snow will look bleak and gray because the camera will expose bright white snow as medium gray!

"Snow/Beach" scene mode to the rescue!

We don't have to know how to adjust exposure for snow or bright sand at the beach, we just have to know to tell the camera we're taking a picture of a very bright scene by turning the mode dial to "Snow" and the programming in the camera will do the rest!

The same is true of the many other scene modes. It gives the less knowledgeable photographer a way to tell the camera what kind of scene they are shooting and the camera will attempt to pick the best combination of shutter duration, aperture, and ISO to use for that particular kind of scene. The photographer doesn't really need to know what the camera does to get there. They just need to be able to recognize the difference between a bright sunny day at the beach (Snow/Beach scene mode) and a night out on the town (Night portrait scene mode). They just need to be able to tell the camera they are shooting a running subject (Sports scene mode) or a static nature scene (Landscape scene mode). This allows the camera to emphasize what is most important for a particular type of shot. If conditions are less than ideal, the camera will use one of the other, less important factors for a particular type of photo to compromise and keep the most important thing as optimal as possible.

As a photographer begins to advance their knowledge and skill level, they learn how to use exposure compensation to tell the camera about the scene in front of them. Eventually they learn about different metering patterns and when each is most useful and how each affects what their camera's meter is telling them.

There are a few manual exposure snobs that think shooting in any exposure mode other than manual exposure mode is unprofessional. I am not one of them. There is certainly a time and place when manual exposure is the best choice, but there are also other situation when other exposure modes may be better suited to getting the results one wants.

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    As always Michael's answer is informative and educational, the important take away from it is " Unless you tell it otherwise " Your brain should know when the cameras brain is inadequate for determining the correct exposure. – Alaska Man Aug 12 '18 at 16:28
  • The camera doesn't "assume that everything is about halfway between the extremes". Instead, it knows that if it adjusts the average exposure in the middle of its dynamic range, then dark objects will have at least half of the optimal dynamic range they could have without blowing out light objects, and light objects will have at least half the optimal dynamic range they could have without turning dark objects into mud. Getting half the optimal dynamic range may not be great, but it won't usually be terrible. The only time such an approach will really fail badly... – supercat Aug 13 '18 at 16:47
  • @supercat This is in the context of the entire field of view being the same basic color and tonal value. There are no 'dark objects' or 'light objects' in such a situation. – Michael C Aug 13 '18 at 16:50
  • ...is when the difference between light and dark areas is so great that one or the other will be unavoidably saturated. A camera with old-fashioned light metering won't notice nor care if it's looking at a perfectly uniform field; instead, it will set exposure settings in a way that will ensure that half of its dynamic range will be available for things lighter than that field, and half for things that are darker. – supercat Aug 13 '18 at 16:58
  • ... which is pretty much halfway in between black and white. – Michael C Aug 13 '18 at 16:59
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The way that camera light meters work (i.e., reflective meters) is :

a) photo of a predominantly white area will be exposed towards middle gray (underexposed).

b) photo of a predominantly black area will be exposed towards middle gray (overexposed).

c) photo of half and half white and black will be exposed towards middle gray (or about correctly in that case, and this does represent most average scenes, but not the exceptional scenes).

Reflective meters are sort of dumb. They have no human brain, so they cannot recognize what the subject is, or how it should be. They just see a blob of light. All they can do is to place the exposure more or less in the middle of the range, averaging middle gray, hoping that kinda covers it. An all white scene comes out middle gray, and an all black scene comes out middle gray... and a middle gray scene comes out middle gray.

The photographer has eyes and a brain, and can simply look first, and can recognize the exceptional scenes, and can apply any expected correction.

More about this specific issue, and about how light meters work is at my site at https://www.scantips.com/lights/metering.html

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When you look around you, your eyes (controlled by your brain) will adjust how much light is allowed to reach the retina by opening/closing the iris (or even your eyelids in the most extreme cases). So when in a dark place, you need more light than in a very bright place.

Your camera has the same needs. You need to adjust exposure, which is a combination of the sensitivity (the so-called ISO setting), shutter speed, and aperture.

When in automatic mode, your camera needs to decide what exposure setting it needs. It does so by looking at the picture, and trying to make sure the picture is about 18% gray (somehow somebody decided that this is most representative of reality). The exact algorithm may vary, but let's consider here that it's just an average of the whole picture.

So if you shoot a fully black or fully white card, in both cases the camera tries to bring that to the same thing, an 18% gray, by adjusting exposure. Exposure settings are not continuous nor infinite, so it doesn't quite get exactly what it wanted (the two results are not the same exact gray), but close enough. If you look at the exposure settings for both pictures (they're recorded in the EXIF data), you'll see they are very different:

  • the white card will get a very small aperture / short exposure time, which will make it look darker than it actually is
  • the black card will get a large aperture / long exposure time, which will make it look lighter than it actually is

When you take a picture of the card with the two halves, then the camera will use a setting about half-way between the two above settings. It's probably still off as you're about 50% grey when the camera expects it to be 18%, but it's of course a lot more realistic, as the white is white and the black is black.

You can use exposure compensation or switch to manual mode to control the camera yourself.

  • 18% reflectance because that's close to a perceptual middle gray — somewhat but not completely arbitrary. (It's 124,124,124 in sRGB.) – Please Read My Profile Aug 17 '18 at 15:07
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  1. Handheld incident meters that give absolute exposure on the subject when held in the same lighting conditions as the subject that will be photographed.

  2. Reflective meters, used in every camera that has a meter, doesn’t give you an absolute exposure for the luminance/reflectance of the subject being photographed. It gives one referenced to an specific luminance. It was created in the BW days because all the meters where calibrated so the gave a technical correct exposure whith a Kodak 18% grey card. Then with the advent of color film, the same reference was maintained as cameras could use BW or Color film. They knew that for any color, there’s a shade of it that has a luminance equal to the 18% grey standard. You could/can for any shade of any color adjust the camera reading to get the technical correct exposure using a 22 zones of ½ of an stop or the easier 11 zones system of 1 stop.

  3. Nowadays with DSLR the exposure reference continues to be the old 18% gray standard. Although some high end cameras now can “read” color and adjust exposure accordingly when using matrix metering, but it still a hit or miss situation as the camera is just guessing the relative luminance of every part of the scene as it assumes that most scenes average out naturally to the 18% grey and they have a bank of scenes to adjust exposure when they deviate from the standard.

So you have to adjust the exposure of the camera for the 18% grey bias depending of the color and shade you actually exposing it. Check the illustration below from Click it Up a Notch® with COURTNEY SLAZINIK. A hint like in most zone systems, ZONE V is where 18% lays.

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