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i have to shoot a subject which is 300 meters far and i need the image as clear as a portrait i took by a 18-55mm lense. Which lense i can use?

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    \$\begingroup\$ How big is the subject, and how much of the frame do you need it to fill? If the subject is a human and you want typical portrait framing, no way. \$\endgroup\$
    – user29608
    Nov 26, 2017 at 7:31
  • \$\begingroup\$ suppose the subject is an human, and the picture should be clear. it is not important that the frame should be like portrait. The picture should be clear. \$\endgroup\$
    – user70134
    Nov 26, 2017 at 7:38
  • \$\begingroup\$ The problem is how large the subject must appear on the final image. If you don't care about that, obviously any lens will do, the subject will just be very small. \$\endgroup\$
    – user29608
    Nov 26, 2017 at 7:40
  • \$\begingroup\$ sir, then can you just tell me if i am taking a picture of human he is 300meter away from me, with a 55-300mm lense, what will be the quality and fame size of the picture? \$\endgroup\$
    – user70134
    Nov 26, 2017 at 8:28
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    \$\begingroup\$ Regarding "six times as large" - that's true of the number of pixels horizontally and vertically, so say the subject's head occupies 100 pixels in the 50mm shot (the actual number depends on how many megapixels your sensor has), you'd have 100x6x6 = 3600 pixels of data showing the head in the 300mm shot. That's roughly like going from SD video to 4K. \$\endgroup\$ Nov 26, 2017 at 11:13

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This was originally going to be a comment but ballooned.

There are so many variables to this question... but yes it's possible. In fact I've arguably tried something similar.

TL/DR. Yes you can. BUT it's probably not going to be great. Just move closer.

Bird photographers regularly shoot tiny things at quite some distance. Aviation photographers can shoot larger things and at even greater distance.

So let's take a look at these variables. enter image description here

Thee above picture was taken YEARS ago on a military range at a distance of 600yds(548.64m). Those white target boards are ~1.2m across, with the orange squares on the target being max 10cm (again this image was years ago). The second row of markers on the ground (inbetween the two flags) are 400yards, (so 365m) away.

The top images are the uncropped images, whereas the bottom images are at 100% crop. the two on the left are unedited and the two on the right are edited. I shot this on a Canon 7D, Canon 70-200 f/2.8 USM with a Canon 2x Telextender III at ISO 1250. (I don't have the original image anymore, I stole it off a facebook post, luckily i mentioned the ISO).

So now we have some context. They're not great, are they. BUT. Take a look at the buffalo. You can see it's a buffalo. You can also make out the rings on the target, and this is further then you want it.

Apart from the colour, there isn't much separation between foreground (the target) and it's background (the sand bank). You're not going to get any depth of field separation unless you can get the subject quite a long way from the background.

The gear was less than optimal. Both my 7D and the extender are a tad soft. But. Having a decent quality sharp lens such as a 600 or 800mm prime AND a good body shooting at ISO100, would make that considerably sharper. As touched upon in the other answer you're going to need to shoot a fast shutter speed to reduce camera shake, so a tripod too. The less ISO and the faster shutter speed the better, and you're widest aperture is not going to be great. Also the better the body the better your image. You will probably need to crop, so better/bigger sensor will help.

Now. The gigantic curve ball. I can guess this is probably going to be outside. At that distance you will probably get atmospheric haze, and maybe even heat haze. You're going to want a nice clear day, not too hot (to reduce the haze). Bright (to allow you to shoot a lower ISO, and as fast a shutter speed as possible).

So yes. If you can get:

  • High quality gear (including a long lens and probably a tripod).
  • Decent separation between subject and background
  • Good weather

You can do it. But do you know what. Just get closer to the subject. If you can't. Try a remote camera.

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I have a Nikon P900 point and shoot, which zooms out to 2000mm effective focal length. The below shots of an osprey were taken from about 300m away. These were handheld and autofocused. An osprey is rather smaller than a person and these represent about a sixth of the frame in each direction. You need a long lens.

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The short answer is that you can't - take pictures of a tree against distant hills and the tree will always look clearer than the hills irrespective of how much you spend on camera and lenses (I'm assuming at least two shots, one focussing on the tree, another on the hills). The intervening air will affect clarity even on a "clear" day.

I think the problem you're running into is the resolution of the camera - you won't be able to enlarge a shot and expect the same clarity. In that case, a longer focal length will make subjects appear closer and will cover more of the film/sensor with the subject. You'll be able to pick up something capable of 300mm focal length fairly cheaply, but you're likely to run into chromatic aberration at that price range.

With a long telephoto (300-500mm) the subject will appear a lot closer and will use more of the film/sensor giving better resolution of the subject, but in anything but bright lighting you're likely to lose clarity through camera movement. Above that focal length the subject will seem closer still, but you're unlikely to be able to use the camera hand held and will want a monopod/tripod or alternative mounting.

A clear picture of something the size of a person 300m away is going to be a challenge regardless of camera resolution or focal length. A nice trick might be to accept the subject will appear smaller, and use the loss of clarity with distance as a feature of the shot.

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I used the calculator on this page to do the maths and the result is that to take a shot of a 2m tall standing person who fills the vertical frame on your APS-C DSLR from a distance of 300m you would need a focal length of about 3600mm (which is not remotely practical on a DSLR).

These numbers scale in proportion to the size of the object that fills the frame.

So if you want a 4m tall object to fill the vertical frame, you need an 1800mm lens. If you only half fill the frame with the 2m tall person then you only need 1800mm.

For these kinds of focal lengths a small sensor camera is a better choice (although don't expect the too much - everything is a compromise in photography). This is even pushing the limit on small sensor cameras.

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The focal length of the camera lens determines the size of the image; the longer the focal length the larger the image. Additionally image size is also determined by camera-to-subject distance. Thus image size intertwines focal length and distance. Further, if you double the focal length, image size doubles. If you double subject distance, image size halves. Using these two interwoven facts, if one setup yields satisfactory results, we can easily calculate what focal length will be needed to maintain a specific image size should the distance change.

As an example, suppose you compose an object that is 2 meters distant and obtain a satisfactory image size with a 50mm lens mounted. If the object distance changes to 500 meters, we divide to find the variance. Thus 500 ÷ 2 = 250. Using this value as a “factor”, we multiply the former focal length by this factor to attain the needed focal length. Thus, 50mm X 250 = 12,500. In other words, a satisfactory image size, obtained with a 50mm, distance 2 meters, is replicated should you mount a 12,500mm focal length lens for the same subject, now 500 meters distant.

As you know, imaging far distant subjects is daunting. Not to mention finding and mounting such a super long lens. Most super long lenses are expensive, heavy, and thus challenging to use. Long lenses especially suffer degradation from chromatic aberration. One solution is a mirror lens system. The mirror lens telephoto solves the color error problem. Chromatic aberration is a function of the imaging light rays traversing a transparent lens array. A mirror system features an objective lens that has the silvering on the surface of the lens. The idea is, incoming rays are reflected by the first surface reflector coat; thus they never transverse the objective lens. In other words, a mirror lens is essentially free of chromatic aberrations. A mirror lens system is your best bet if you are to continue this quest.

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  • \$\begingroup\$ Perhaps a better way to say it is that the sensor determines the size of the image, and the focal length of the lens and the distance to subject determine the size of the subject in the image. \$\endgroup\$
    – Caleb
    Nov 27, 2017 at 16:57
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i have to shoot a subject which is 300 meters far and i need the image as clear as a portrait i took by a 18-55mm lense.

It sounds like you need some help to understand how much magnification you can expect from lenses at different focal lengths. That's a very common problem, and so there are a number of different focal length simulators out there that let you see what a scene would look like at different focal lengths. Here are three:

Canon

Sigma

Nikon

Each one lets you select the sensor size of the camera you expect to use. Make sure that you set that appropriately, because the physical size of the sensor affects magnification.

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