# How is the F stop number derived?

How are F Stop numbers derived? I have both a Canon 50d and a Panasonic DMC-LZ8k, a compact with full manual mode. When I set all settings but shutter speed identically between cameras, I end up with a different shutter speed. Furthermore, I have seen the physical size of the aperture on my 50d and there is no way that something that large would fit into my compact. So, how are aperture numbers derived. It is obvious that it isn't a direct measurement of size.

• possible duplicate of What does f-stop mean? Commented May 5, 2013 at 1:58
• I don't think it is a dupe. This question is more about WHY the 2 cameras give different results with the same f-stop. At least I think so, can you clarify please? Commented May 5, 2013 at 13:02

An F-number is a ratio commonly thought of as being derived from the focal length of the lens divided by the diameter of the aperture.

More correctly, though, it is the ratio of the focal length of the lens divided by its entrance pupil, which, for most optics, is not quite the same thing. (The entrance pupil is the image of the aperture as seen through the front of the lens. Optical elements in front of the lens aperture typically magnify the apparent size of the aperture.)

This value gives you the (approximate) ability to get the same exposure using the same shutter speed for different lens focal lengths set to the same F-number. I say approximate because an F-number does not take into account transmission light losses due the optics themselves, so a simple prime lens set to f/2.8 may actually be noticeably brighter than a complex zoom lens with many lens elements also set to f/2.8.

(Cinema lenses often cite a T-stop number (eg. T2.8), which does take transmission losses into account. A T-stop is equivalent to an F-stop (or F-number), except the the lens's aperture settings are calibrated to match an ideal lens--one which transmits 100% of the light it receives.)

To answer your other questions, the actual focal length of your compact camera lens is much shorter than than the lens on your Canon, so the entrance pupil required to deliver the same exposure is correspondingly much smaller in diameter.

As for the differences in shutter speed when both cameras are set to the same f-stop, different cameras' meters expose to different standards, different sensors set to a particular ISO vary markedly in sensitivity, and of course, the lenses involved almost certainly have different levels of light transmission loss.

The F-stop is a ratio. That is why it is frequently expressed as F/x.

Specifically, it is the ratio of the real focal-length to the size of the entrance pupil. For example with round numbers, a 100mm lens with a 50mm entrance pupil has a maximum aperture size of 2 (100 / 50 = 2).

On a compact camera the lens often specifies the real focal-length while marketing material specifies the equivalent one. A typical 24-720mm zoom is usually 4.2 - 126mm. So while you zoom to say 100mm equivalent, the actual focal-length is closer to 17mm. For that to have an F/2 maximum aperture, the entrance-pupil need only be 8.5mm wide (17 / 2 = 8.5).

As for the different shutter-speed that is due to sensitivity and metering. An ISO is not always the same between cameras, though rarely more than 1/2 EV apart. In manual mode, the indicated exposure is relative to the metering system which varies greatly between cameras.

it is the relationship between the area of the lens to the focal length and the f number; Wikipedia has a good article; http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Aperture

So the difference between your bridge and SLR will relate to the area of the lens.

• Hi Tony, I would recommend expanding on your answer a bit more rather than basically linking to Wikipedia. Commented May 5, 2013 at 1:03