Why is on sensor PDAF drastically slower than traditional PDAF? I assume the technology is the same, doesn't matter if the module is on the sensor or located behind a mirror. But the performance is not even close.


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The technology in theory is similar, but the implementation isn't exactly the same.

Without knowing exactly which model, or even which manufacturer made your camera, it is difficult to be very specific. There's a large difference in performance between different models and lenses.

It always starts with light, so let's begin there. The amount of light used by each pixel of an on-sensor PDAF array is much less than the amount of light used by each pixel of a dedicated PDAF array.

  • The dedicated PDAF sensor pixels are several times the size of, and thus more sensitive than, the pixels in the image sensor. The light falling on them is gathered from an even wider area through the use of the splitter and micro-lenses between the reflex mirror and the focus array.
  • The pixels in most cameras with on-sensor PDAF have a Bayer filter or other form of color filter over the light wells. This means a good portion of the light that falls onto a pixel doesn't make it into the light well. Traditional PDAF sensors are monochromatic, so there is no need for any color filters.
  • Getting the data from the sensor is another potential speed bump. Since the data from a dedicated PDAF sensor is gathered from lines only a single pixel wide, the data can be read more quickly than that coming off a full sensor that is also being used for metering and possibly WB computation as well.
  • Most cameras with PDAF use a hybrid form that includes elements of both PDAF and CDAF. Any CDAF system requires more stages than a PDAF system as it is a "move and measure" system that repeats the process until it finds the distance that produces the most contrast. A PDAF system can measure once, determine how far and in which direction the lens is out of focus, and then move the lens. A CDAF system must take at least two measurements to determine which direction to move the lens to get more contrast, and then must sample until the lens has moved past focus and contrast begins to fall off.
  • The half-silvered portion of the main mirror that all light falling on a dedicated PDAF sensor array must pass through does reduce the light by 50%, but even with this loss the dedicated sensor is still getting much more light per pixel for the same amount of light entering an equivalent lens.

Having said all of that, I highly suspect another big reason for the difference lies in the design of the lenses attached to the respective cameras. With traditional DSLRs, PDAF speed can vary quite a bit on the same body depending on the lens being used. The focus motors on lenses designed for the typical on-sensor PDAF cameras are more comparable to consumer grade DSLR lenses, and even fixed lenses on bridge cameras, than to higher end DSLR lenses. Overall design, weight of the elements being moved, the size and type of motor used to move the lens, and the firmware that controls it all have an influence on the overall speed and accuracy of the lens' mechanical focus system. If the on-sensor PDAF camera is even capable of interchangeable lenses, there may be faster lenses (aperture and focus drive) available for a premium. Remember that aperture is figured on actual, not effective, focal length. Some of the cameras in question, like the Fuji X100S, have APS-C sized sensors. When this is the case the aperture sizes are comparable to lenses used on APS-C DSLRs. But other cameras like the Nikon 1 series have 1" sensors with barely half the linear dimensions and less than 1/3 the surface area of an APS-C sensor, not to mention that they are dwarfed by the 7.5X larger 36X24mm full frame sensors. When comparing the lenses for these cameras, the absolute size of the diaphragm is smaller for a given f-number and angle of view because the focal length for that same angle of view is shorter. The mass of the optics in such lenses is less than that of more typical faster focusing DSLR lenses, but the space available for the motor that drives the movement of those optics is also much less.

Thanks to jrista for the information in his comments regarding this answer. Much of the correct information on this heavily revised answer is his. All of the mistakes are mine. B-)

  • \$\begingroup\$ I also suspect that on-sensor PDAF has fewer and less sensitive focus points compared to the dedicated sensors. I fully expect on-sensor PDAF to improve quickly though, possibly approaching the performance of the dedicated sensor, at least in good light. \$\endgroup\$ May 2, 2013 at 17:23
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    \$\begingroup\$ Good answer. The one thing I strongly suspect that affects on-sensor PDAF is that the distance between measuring sites is too tight. With a dedicated sensor, the distance between sites measuring phase are spread at irregular intervals which depend on the maximum aperture they are able to focus with. \$\endgroup\$
    – Itai
    May 2, 2013 at 17:38
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    \$\begingroup\$ You also need to account for the quantum efficiency of sensor pixels, vs. dedicated PDAF sensors. Quantum efficiency of sensor pixels is around 40-60%, and HALF the pixel area is receiving light (remember, they are masked), so not only do you lose 30-40% of the light from the filter, you lose 50% of the light before that from the masking, and another 40-60% of the light because of efficiency losses. Each PDAF pixel in a sensor is only working with ~8.8% of the grand total amount of light that makes it through the sensor and onto those pixels! \$\endgroup\$
    – jrista
    May 3, 2013 at 1:46
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    \$\begingroup\$ A dedicated PDAF sensor has more light to work with. For one, instead of 50% of the light for a given pixel, each strip works with 50% of the light for that entire region of the lens, thanks to the AF Unit's splitting and focusing lens. Right off the bat you have more light to work with. On top of that, the photo diodes of each AF sensitive strip are much, much larger than the average sensor pixel. Tens of microns. Overall light sensitivity is much higher. There is no color filter, so you aren't losing any additional light. \$\endgroup\$
    – jrista
    May 3, 2013 at 1:49
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    \$\begingroup\$ An article I read on dpReview says they are green on the Fuji X100S. dpreview.com/news/2010/8/5/fujifilmpd \$\endgroup\$
    – Michael C
    May 3, 2013 at 7:40

Traditional phase detect autofocus system runs mainly in an open loop configuration: take measurement, send focus distance to lens. Contrast detect autofocus is closed loop, it has to take a contrast measurement, move the lens, take a contrast measurement, move lens etc. which is clearly much slower.

The reason phase detect on sensor isn't nearly as fast as a dedicated phase detect unit is simply that it isn't accurate enough to use in open loop mode, so the camera has to take several measurements to fine tune the focus.

The reason for the difference is accuracy is that a dedicated phase detect system has a series of lenses to direct the incoming light to two pixel arrays that are wide apart in order to measure the difference in phase and therefore the angle of incidence which tells you how far out the plane of focus is.

Phase detect on sensor uses a series of special pixels that have have an opaque mask over one half. By measuring the difference in light reading from pixels which have the left side blacked out compared to those which have the right side blacked out you get a measure of the angle of incidence but it's not very accurate as the height of the microlens above the pixel is small, leading to a much shorter baseline. Baseline is key to accuracy, imagine shutting one eye and trying to judge the distance of something by moving your head, if you can only move your head a tiny amount it's very hard.

  • \$\begingroup\$ At least on Fuji's version, the pixels used are filtered for green. This article quotes Mr. Yamashita of Fuji regarding the design of the sensor. dpreview.com/news/2010/8/5/fujifilmpd \$\endgroup\$
    – Michael C
    May 3, 2013 at 7:48
  • \$\begingroup\$ @MichaelClark fair enough, I'm sure a saw something from another manufacturer stating they used clear filters for those pixels. \$\endgroup\$
    – Matt Grum
    May 3, 2013 at 8:19
  • \$\begingroup\$ re: monochromatic pixels on some on-sensor PDAF cameras. I think I have too, but I couldn't find it today. I think the Nikon 1 series uses green also, but I've too many photos to edit right now to look for it. \$\endgroup\$
    – Michael C
    May 3, 2013 at 8:26
  • \$\begingroup\$ +1 for explaining how on-sensor PDAF does baseline and 'phase' measurement \$\endgroup\$ Oct 10, 2013 at 19:18
  • \$\begingroup\$ With the new dual-pixel sensors from Canon, all of the pixels on the sensor are split based on the angle of the microlenses covering them. Since the camera still takes color photographs, they pretty obviously all have Bayer filters over them as well. \$\endgroup\$
    – Michael C
    Jul 23, 2017 at 2:24

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