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After a couple of years with my first DSLR (a Canon T6), I’m thinking about joining the MILC world with the Canon RP (affordable, full-frame-sensor, mirrorless).

I like to take pictures while traveling, at home I enjoy macro photography and Astro photography. I have plenty of time to do my research, and I intend on buying the second camera next year.

The greatest doubt so far is to choose the lens kit: should I go with the

RF 24-105 IS USM f/4L

or:

RF 24-240 IS USM f/4-6.3?

I’m not really into movies... I do sometimes shoot some footage with drone for IG, but I really appreciate pictures. I’ve read several reviews on both lenses and now I’m trying to make up my mind. What would you guys get? I own at home: Canon ef 50mm f/1.8, Canon ef-s 24mm, f/2.8, Canon ef 75-300mm, f/4-6.3 (It makes sense to acquire the ef adapter)

  • Hi Heleno. I was one of the people who voted to close your question because it was a shopping-related question. Stack Exchanges are Q&A sites that are different from discussion forums such as dpreview.com, etc. Your question was closed because most shopping questions are not on-topic here. See also, What topics can I ask about here?, and also Q&A is Hard, Let’s Go Shopping!. – scottbb Nov 12 '19 at 3:46
  • @scottbb hi! I’ve read the guidelines. What topics can I ask; the very third item is about equipment. I understand your locking of it, but I still do not agree with it. But then again; as I said before: it is ok. I think the subject has been properly explained. It is just a shame that someone out there may have great insight on the comparison of these two lenses and is now locked outside without the opportunity to share his/her knowledge. – Heleno Paiva Nov 12 '19 at 3:54
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    FWIW despite the comment above, I'm pretty sure I voted as "primarily opinion based". That's because you've said that you've read reviews and are trying to make up your mind, but don't give any guidance on what you would need to know to make that decision. "What would you guys get" runs up against stackoverflow.blog/2010/09/29/good-subjective-bad-subjective – Please Read Profile Nov 12 '19 at 19:37
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    @HelenoPaiva People may have multiple reasons for voting to close, but they ultimately can choose only one. This question is too broad, and it's not clear what you're asking. Do you want yet another review of the lenses, since you've already "read several reviews"? Is there something in particular that you're concerned about? Or are you really asking "What would you guys get?" as a proxy for "What should I buy?" If so, answers tend to be variations on a theme. You ultimately have to decide for yourself. Perhaps neither is right for you. Maybe flip a coin or roll some dice. – xiota Nov 13 '19 at 0:49
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I have the RF 24-240 lens for my EOS RP. I also have EF 24-105 f/4L mk1 lens. I don't have the RF 24-105 f/4L lens.

The RF 24-240 lens has several quirks you need to know:

  • Lack of weather sealing
  • Lens hood needs to be bought separately
  • Manual focus switch is missing and you need to set it in the camera menu
  • The focus/control rings are combined into one
  • The chromatic aberration prior to correction is terrible. So, you really need the lens profile. After correction, the CA doesn't annoy me. Open source software currently lacks the lens profile, so you really need to use Canon DPP.
  • In low light (read: indoors), at long focal lengths, the focusing is not suitable for quickly moving targets so this is not a pet photography lens at 240mm if your pet moves quickly. It's also not a sports lens. Well, you should already know that from the small aperture, especially at long end.
  • At long focal lengths, there is slight lack of sharpness in corners.
  • At short focal lengths (24mm), it's actually a 20mm lens with huge geometric distortion, and black corners, and the lens profile in the camera firmware and/or RAW software applies corrections to make it 24mm, correcting the geometric distortion, and removing the black corners.

Summary: don't shoot in the rain, don't shoot sports/action, don't expect good corner sharpness at long focal lengths, and you really need to use Canon DPP and new firmware in EOS RP.

However, there's several good things about the RF 24-240:

  • The image stabilization. I mean, the image stabilization! It's wonderful! I have never seen such good image stabilization anywhere. You can handhold near 1 s shutter speed, and you really do get the full 5 advertised stops. So, if you are photographing slowly moving targets in low light, this is the lens to get. The good IS for non-moving targets is so good that you don't care about the slow aperture in low light.
  • The range of focal lengths is good, and center sharpness at 240mm is acceptable, so the lens is fun to use. If 240mm is not enough, you can zoom the center digitally. It's not a birding lens but then you should know that already.
  • It's a all-in-one lens. You don't need to be continuously switching lenses. For travel, that would be the key, but I still like the lens even though I'm not a traveller.

If you decide to get 24-105 instead, I would consider some used EF 24-105 L series lens too. They lack the high speed display option but then again that's more useful for sports and birding, and the EF 24-105 lens ain't a sports or birding lens. Also note that some EF 24-105 lenses have zoom creep when old.

For EOS RP, I find the RF 24-240 the optimal lens. For a hypothetical high-megapixel EOS R series camera (not announced yet), the RF 24-105 would be better.

Neither lens is an astro lens. For astro, use the 50mm f/1.8 if you don't want to capture wide milky way photos and a narrower photo is enough, or preferably find a wider lens.

I like to take pictures while traveling, at home I enjoy macro photography and Astro photography

Get the RF 24-240 because you mentioned the magic keyword travel!

Use the 50mm f/1.8 for astro now and consider a wider fast astro prime later. For macro, you need to find something acceptable as RF 24-240 ain't a macro lens. The RF 35mm macro has only 0.5x magnification and costs a lot for a 35mm lens. You could consider if you can find some used full frame macro lens for EF mount.

Edit: You could of course consider the RF 35mm f/1.8 lens with 0.5x magnification for both astro and macro. For astro, you should prefer something like fast 24mm prime, and for macro, you should prefer something like 1x magnification, but if you can live with 35mm for astro and 0.5x magnification for macro, the 35mm lens could be it.

  • You mentioned the canon profile correction for vignetting, right? Can these issues be corrected by the lightroom profile for that lens? I’m a bit concerned having to use yet another software to make things work properly. – Heleno Paiva Nov 11 '19 at 12:35
  • @HelenoPaiva If the lightroom has a profile, then yes. If not, then use either DPP (that has a profile), or shoot JPG with newest firmware (that uses the in-firmware profile). I'm not a Lightroom user so I cannot say if Lightroom has a profile. I can say that Darktable and RawTherapee do not have a profile. But you DO want a profile, this lens has so much imperfections that a profile is a mandatory thing. – juhist Nov 11 '19 at 13:15
  • It seems according to lightroomkillertips.com/… and streetsilhouettes.com/home/2019/9/30/… that Lightroom has a profile. – juhist Nov 11 '19 at 13:18
  • This is highly helpful. Thanks a lot guys. Just another tiny question: do you think that future firmware upgrades may patch this lenses issue? – Heleno Paiva Nov 11 '19 at 15:20
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    And oh, since this is a mirrorless camera you see the corrected image in the viewfinder if you use the newest firmware. This is true even if you shoot RAW. – juhist Nov 11 '19 at 15:42
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How important is "image quality" to you (sharpness, aberrations, distortion, light falloff, flaring, etc)? You can compare the lenses at The Digital Picture.

Superzooms usually...

  • Are more versatile. They cover a greater focal length range.
  • Are more convenient. You don't have to change lenses.
  • Are more fun. You can take pictures without worrying about changing lenses or which lens you'll need next.
  • Have slower variable apertures – F4-6.3 vs constant F4.
  • Have image quality that's inferior to standard zooms and primes. But the RF 24-240/4-6.3 doesn't look too bad.

If possible, try out both lenses before deciding. If you just need to choose a kit lens to purchase with the body, but won't necessarily be using it much, the RF 24-105/4L would probably be easier to resell.

Since you seem to intend to get an adapter:

  • Tamron 35-150/2.8-4 looks interesting.

  • You can consider EF lenses, like primes or even EF 24-105/4L. Primes would be expected to be sharper. Older EF lenses might be cheaper, especially used, than RF lenses.

  • EF-S lenses are designed for crop sensor, so you won't be able to use the full-sensor area of your new camera with them.

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    Ooh. I basically agree but stumble on "more fun". I definitely have more fun with prime lenses than I would with a super-zoom. – Please Read Profile Nov 11 '19 at 4:20
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    @mattdm Taking pictures with superzooms is more fun, as long as you don't care what the pictures look like afterward. It's like how working with a super responsive DSLR with high ISO and shutter speeds is fun, as long as you don't care that it misses focus and has enough chroma noise to seed /dev/urandom. – xiota Nov 11 '19 at 4:43
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    Plus, his default kit includes mostly a bunch of heavy zooms anyway, so he's clearly already missed the joy of the single focal length experience :) – Please Read Profile Nov 11 '19 at 4:44
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    @mattdm seconded - I find slow, wide range zooms boring as heck :) – rackandboneman Nov 11 '19 at 9:22

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