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This is the first time I've shot a concert and I'm wondering why the blues gave me trouble some of the time (A and B), but not all of the time (C seems fine).

I can correct A and B in post by desaturating the blues, but how can I avoid that in camera, and why did only blue give me issues but not red? (No post processing has been done on these images other than resize.)

These examples were all shot RAW, all had auto white balance with spot metering, and ISO 3200, shot on a Canon T3i. A, B, and D are 1/400, but C was 1/320.

Any insight is appreciated, thanks!

images of Sheryl Crow, with blue lighting issues

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    Can you clarify what the question is? Would also be helpful to title into the form of a question. – xiota May 20 at 3:01
  • I think the pictures with really strong blues are the best ones! – user82065 May 22 at 18:13
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  • The lighting appears to be changing constantly. This is quite common at large concerts. Different types of lights, even those that appear to your eyes to be the same color, don't always have the same spectrum. The camera will very often maximize the differences between these light sources that our eye-brain systems tend to minimize. Sometimes you just have to go with the flow and accept that even though you may really like the composition of some of your frames, the lighting active at the time you captured it was not as good (fuller spectrum that allows better skin tones) as the lighting was at other points in time while you were shooting.
  • The images you don't seem to be happy with appear to be when the "fog" on stage was thicker. There doesn't appear to be much, if any, fog in the one you like. Staged shows use "fog", which is basically a mist made from glycerin and water, to catch the output of lights and make the "beams" visible. When done well and kept behind the main performer, it can be very effective.

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Whatever is behind the fog being lit by a light will be affected by it, both in terms of contrast and color.

When fog gets between the main spotlight and the performer up front with a beam of colored light cutting across in front of the performer, it's very hard to get accurate skin tones or very much contrast.

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Notice the effect the yellow beam of light has on the black pants. If that light had been in front of the singer's face, it would have been impossible to get accurate skin tones. I probably got such images that night, but they were most likely deleted in my first pass review.

Production teams often use fans to try and control where the fog is and, more importantly, where it isn't during a live show. But it doesn't always work perfectly, particularly in outdoor venues that are subject to nature's whims. Even in large indoor arenas, the indoor "weather" created by the building's HVAC systems and temperature differentials that are the result of solar heating of the top of the building during the day and the reverse at night can make the direction of air flow around the stage unpredictable.

To get the best version of a concert shot, I usually have to work the raw file fairly heavily (almost all of what I do are global adjustments to CT/WB, contrast, and using an HSL/HSB/HSV tool to deal with remaining color casts). Of course how effective that can be depends on the quality of the lights and how broad spectrum they are.

Here's an image that was developed using Canon's DPP 4 with the in-camera settings active at the time the photo was taken applied:

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"Standard" Picture Style, AWB, no manually input WB correction, -1 contrast, -1 saturation, "standard" NR, etc. Exposure was 1/320 second, f/3.2, ISO 1600 with a Canon 7D Mark II + EF 70-200mm f/2.8 L IS II.

Here's the same image after raw development using global adjustments and a 5:4 crop from the original 3:2 aspect ratio:

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  • Exposure: +0.17 or 1/6 stop - note that the finest adjustment allowed in-camera is usually 1/3 stop. With DPP 4, exposure can be adjusted in 0.01 stop increments.
  • Color Temperature: 8400K (such a setting would be totally incorrect for any shot illuminated by a main spotlight that is probably around 5500K)
  • WB correction: -1 Blue, +10 Green (the equivalent of a 50 mireds green filter!)
  • Contrast: -1 (with an additional +1 to shadows and a -1 to highlights)
  • Color Tone (tint): +3 towards green (to add even more correction than the maximum +10 used in WB correction)
  • Color saturation: -2
  • Unsharp mask applied with moderately high sharpening using the individual strength (6), fineness (5), and threshold (4) controls rather than a generic "sharpness" setting available in-camera)
  • Lens chromatic aberration and color blur correction applied in post. This can be applied in-camera (with certain cameras and lenses), but that slows down the shooting speed as it requires more in-camera processor computations. Since I was shooting raw, I turned off all in camera lens correction, which only affects the jpeg preview image anyway.
  • Noise reduction increased from the camera's "standard" NR setting's self computed values of 6.1 (luminance) and 5 (chrominance) to 8 (luminance) and 11 (chrominance).
  • The following adjustments using the HSL tool. Note particularly the fairly large corrections made to the orange and yellow channels:

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Even if I could have entered all of these settings into the camera before the shot, they would only have been good for this one shot of a guitarist to the side of the main performer, who was being illuminated by a white spotlight with a much lower color temperature.

I can correct A and B in post by desaturating the blues, but how can I avoid that in camera...

Sometimes you can't. The camera usually has fewer tools for adjusting color response than raw processing applications do. As far as I know, no digital camera has a built-in HSL/HSB/HSV tool that allows one to adjust the hue, saturation, and luminance/brightness/value of the eight or so individual color bands that most raw processing applications give you. Some built in "presets", such as "landscape" or "portrait" will apply individual adjustments to different colors, but they're not user adjustable the way you need for a specific lighting scenario. You can't do in-camera what the flexibility that various "curves" adjustments offered in most raw development applications allow.

Even the adjustments that can be made in camera are usually much coarser. For instance, my Canon cameras allow WB correction adjustments in increments that are equivalent to a five mired color correction filter. Canon's Digital Photo Professional 4 application allows adjustment of the same parameters in increments of 0.5 mireds, which is 1/10 as fine. In camera I can select manual color temperatures in increments of 100K. I can select 4200K or 4300K, but not 4270K. In DPP 4 color temperature can be adjusted with increments of 10K, so I can select 4270K in raw development.

Plus, with the lighting constantly changing during a show, you'd need to fine tune these settings constantly. Assuming your eyes could even see the subtleties of the lighting, by the time you delved into the camera's menu to change them for the lighting at one particular moment the light will most likely be changed anyway.

... and why did only blue give me issues but not red?

The red wasn't intense enough to clip, the blue appears to have been just over the threshold. Using an RGB histogram is very helpful in concert settings lit by the now common LED lighting with narrow spectrums. The older incandescent lights plus gels were much fuller spectrum. Under the LED lights very often one channel will be much stronger than the others and will fool an exposure meter, particularly a monochrome or dual layer light meter like the one in your camera. Many fairly recent upper tier cameras now have RGB+IR light meters that can distinguish the brightness of different colors, which helps to set exposure low enough to prevent clipping one color channel when the other two are much dimmer.

For more about shooting concerts, my answer to this question, Best ways of photographing at a concert/festival, covers a lot of ground, gives a number of example photos, and provides links to other concert photography questions here that delve into different aspects of concert photography in more detail.

No post processing has been done on these images other than resize.

In terms of what you can see on a computer monitor, there's no such thing as "THE raw file." If you are looking at an image on your screen, the raw data has been processed to show one unique interpretation of that raw data from the countless possible interpretations of that raw data. If you haven't told your raw processing application how you want it to process the image, then you are allowing the application to apply its own default development settings. Defaults work well for more common scenarios shot under natural lighting. They don't always do as well under mixed lighting from various types of lighting.

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Looks like "accent" or background lights are changing. In the future, you can try:

  • Adjusting custom white balance according to the main lights, if possible.

  • Taking lots of pictures to increase odds you'll get something you like.

  • Converting selected images to black and white.

  • Making selective adjustments using layer masks.

  • Seeing other questions about photography.

... why did only blue give me issues... ?

Of the sample images, I would toss B and C because the singer's face is obscured by her hands or shadow. A would be difficult to correct because skin tones usually don't have much blue. Green, magenta, and cyan would also be a pain to deal with. The color channels do not appear to be "clipped", especially since you shot in raw.

D looks easiest to correct. Here is the result of a simple levels adjustment with color blending:

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There is a distinct blue-green tint in the pickguard in A, so you can adjust the white balance in A & B by making that neutral. Another place to check is the teeth.

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D isn't OK, it's quite reddish (compare the color of the wristwatch in C and D), but a slightly red skin is less disturbing than a greenish one.

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Colored lighting produces single-channel blowouts that can't be fixed in post. The only real solution is to underexpose. I aim for a couple of stops underexposure in most concert situations. For every DSLR I've owned ISO 400 two stops under has the same noise performance as ISO 1600 exposed accurately. You're trading blocked shadows for blown highlights. For concert photos this is a good trade. For other genres maybe not.

Some Canons even have a setting to do one stop of this automatically. With the "highlights preservation"--or something similar--mode turned on the camera is set to an ISO one stop lower than requested and the file has an embedded instruction to silently do +1 exposure when developing the raw.

There's also an issue in every raw converter I've ever seen where there's strange haloing and artifacting in transitions where the number of blown channels changes but stays non-zero. An in-scene colored light source will be so overpowering it blows dead white in all three channels but only blows the dominant channel away from the center. That transition is always way weird and ugly.

The are also sometimes UV washes aka blacklights (more club lighting than large-venue concert lighting though). Camera/lens UV filtering is designed for ordinary daylight UV proportions, not massive UV blacklight beating up near darkness in the visible spectrum.

Not always a fan of converting colored concert lighting to neutral. If they were lit blue think about how that blue will look good rather than how you can do a 4000K move to get wedding-accurate reality-ignoring daylight skintones. It's not daylight, it's stage lighting. If the performers wanted daylight they would've instructed the lighting dude(ette) to balance it that way.

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If you use Lightroom for RAW development you could look at the Profile in the Basic tab. In my experience this impacts the way colours are rendered significantly.

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