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When you become a pro, and the business becomes your primary source of income, you soon start to understand, "Risk Management”,”profitability””Profitability”,”time”Time against money"Money". Good clean shots straight from the camera become veryMORE important and sitting in front of Lightroom becomes a chore!: you start to reduce your time.

When you become a pro, and the business becomes your primary source of income, you soon start to understand, "Risk Management”,”profitability”,”time against money". Good clean shots straight from the camera become very important and sitting in front of Lightroom becomes a chore!

When you become a pro, and the business becomes your primary source of income, you soon start to understand, "Risk Management”,”Profitability”,”Time against Money". Good clean shots straight from the camera become MORE important and sitting in front of Lightroom: you start to reduce your time.

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This is my second approach to this delicate question as I feel compelled to provide a second response as individual comments have now been deleted and this post has been locked.

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I believe that, AJ's question relates more to psychological behaviour that leads to impudence rather than social norms or etiquettes.

Firstly,

"no matter how hard we try, there are bound to be some people who will always be rude!

These same rude people when asked about their behaviour, say,

People who can’t get others to like them, don’t understand how to get along with others

Both sets of comments can have the same meaning to two different sets of people.

The first applies to someone who believes they are responsible for success and failure in their life, whereas the second comment relates to someone who believes success and failure is decided by others, fate or chance. To me, neither of these comments are wrong, they are just a process of thought and where we lay control of whats happening in our lives.

The challenge we face, is to create a meaningful connection between the two mindsets.

Having spoken to AJ, he mentioned that he spent around 15% of his time taking photos, most of which were around his table and as an official photographer, I would not have been too bothered. From everything he mentioned, he remained cohesive, coherent and very precise with etiquette regarding what he was doing, but was responded with rudeness. To me, he took responsibility for his actions, but the primary photographer did not and lashed out at him with rudeness.

Therefore, the question remains, what more could have AJ done to NOT have received such rudeness?

We need to “assume" that the official photographer is a professional and that this business, is her only means of income.

At this point, I would like to clarify; the difference between an Amateur and Pro is that the Pro gets paid. It does not mean that the results from a Pro are any better than those of a keen Amateur as a lot of good amateur photographers can be way better than some pro’s.

When you become a pro, and the business becomes your primary source of income, you soon start to understand, "Risk Management”,”profitability”,”time against money". Good clean shots straight from the camera become very important and sitting in front of Lightroom becomes a chore!

Risk Management involves a lot of things including guests that maybe photography enthusiasts who have time to sit in front of Lightroom for hours on end, moving sliders, dodging and burning!

This transition into the world of becoming a pro, can and does alter the mindset somewhat, as you can start to consider any competition as an enemy. Unless you are collaborating, it happens with all businesses, small or large.

In AJ’s situation, perhaps the official photographer needed a more meaningful connection and ensured that he communicated his message in a manner best understood by her. Maybe, she needed for him to position his intentions more favourably for her and at the same time, she maybe needed for him to demonstrate that he understood the importance of the official photographer. Maybe, she just needed to see AJ differentiate himself from other would be competition and created a first impression and credibility that was better understood by her.

Perhaps asking her questions that were focused more towards her; IE.

What are your feelings about me taking a few snaps for myself? ( the word snap may have altered her mindset into thinking you ,”you have all the Gear, but no idea!”

When will it be a good time for me to take a few snaps?

When is it a no no for me to pick up my camera?

As it stands, AJ was NOT going up against an individual, but against a business and as the representative (although, she may probably have been the owner of the business), she decided to respond with rudeness. Maybe nothing would have helped, maybe it was the culmination of a build up of minor issues and distractions that got the better of her.

Either way, her mistake despite all her frustrations and distractions, she forgot that AJ was a guest and possibly only taking occasional shots and if I was in AJ’s shoes, I would have definitely had words with her about her rudeness, albeit, after her job was done, otherwise, it could have affected the final results.

To summarise, I believe that this was an isolated case and there was something underlying that made her behave that way.

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This is my second approach to this delicate question as I feel compelled to provide a second response as individual comments have now been deleted and this post has been locked.

**

I believe that, AJ's question relates more to psychological behaviour that leads to impudence rather than social norms or etiquettes.

Firstly,

"no matter how hard we try, there are bound to be some people who will always be rude!

These same rude people when asked about their behaviour, say,

People who can’t get others to like them, don’t understand how to get along with others

Both sets of comments can have the same meaning to two different sets of people.

The first applies to someone who believes they are responsible for success and failure in their life, whereas the second comment relates to someone who believes success and failure is decided by others, fate or chance. To me, neither of these comments are wrong, they are just a process of thought and where we lay control of whats happening in our lives.

The challenge we face, is to create a meaningful connection between the two mindsets.

Having spoken to AJ, he mentioned that he spent around 15% of his time taking photos, most of which were around his table and as an official photographer, I would not have been too bothered. From everything he mentioned, he remained cohesive, coherent and very precise with etiquette regarding what he was doing, but was responded with rudeness. To me, he took responsibility for his actions, but the primary photographer did not and lashed out at him with rudeness.

Therefore, the question remains, what more could have AJ done to NOT have received such rudeness?

We need to “assume" that the official photographer is a professional and that this business, is her only means of income.

At this point, I would like to clarify; the difference between an Amateur and Pro is that the Pro gets paid. It does not mean that the results from a Pro are any better than those of a keen Amateur as a lot of good amateur photographers can be way better than some pro’s.

When you become a pro, and the business becomes your primary source of income, you soon start to understand, "Risk Management”,”profitability”,”time against money". Good clean shots straight from the camera become very important and sitting in front of Lightroom becomes a chore!

Risk Management involves a lot of things including guests that maybe photography enthusiasts who have time to sit in front of Lightroom for hours on end, moving sliders, dodging and burning!

This transition into the world of becoming a pro, can and does alter the mindset somewhat, as you can start to consider any competition as an enemy. Unless you are collaborating, it happens with all businesses, small or large.

In AJ’s situation, perhaps the official photographer needed a more meaningful connection and ensured that he communicated his message in a manner best understood by her. Maybe, she needed for him to position his intentions more favourably for her and at the same time, she maybe needed for him to demonstrate that he understood the importance of the official photographer. Maybe, she just needed to see AJ differentiate himself from other would be competition and created a first impression and credibility that was better understood by her.

Perhaps asking her questions that were focused more towards her; IE.

What are your feelings about me taking a few snaps for myself? ( the word snap may have altered her mindset into thinking you ,”you have all the Gear, but no idea!”

When will it be a good time for me to take a few snaps?

When is it a no no for me to pick up my camera?

As it stands, AJ was NOT going up against an individual, but against a business and as the representative (although, she may probably have been the owner of the business), she decided to respond with rudeness. Maybe nothing would have helped, maybe it was the culmination of a build up of minor issues and distractions that got the better of her.

Either way, her mistake despite all her frustrations and distractions, she forgot that AJ was a guest and possibly only taking occasional shots and if I was in AJ’s shoes, I would have definitely had words with her about her rudeness, albeit, after her job was done, otherwise, it could have affected the final results.

To summarise, I believe that this was an isolated case and there was something underlying that made her behave that way.

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TheseAdmittedly, these are all unnecessary thoughts, but nevertheless, they were there and as it got the better of me, I went over and spoke to him and then the bride's mother!

I do empathise with fellow photographers who as guests can see that they may be in a better position to capture more pleasing shots, but it is unfortunate that they are not the photographer on the day. I, as a rule of thumb, will never take a DSLR with me - the most that I will have in my pocket will be a Canon S100 pocket camera, when attending weddings as a guest.

To summarize; as a human, seeing a guest behaving as a pro photographer, does affect my mindset and ultimately, it affects the final results, that is, unless there was a prior agreement to having multiple photographers which creates different expectations and a more accommodating mindset.

Professionalism for me, comes into play when I am expected to deliver the best value for money, and if I am distracted, then I believe, that clearly cannot happen!

These are all unnecessary thoughts, but nevertheless, they were there and as it got the better of me, I went over and spoke to him and then the bride's mother!

I do empathise with fellow photographers who as guests can see that they may be in a better position to capture more pleasing shots, but it is unfortunate that they are not the photographer on the day. I, as a rule of thumb, will never take a DSLR with me - the most that I will have in my pocket will be a Canon S100 pocket camera, when attending weddings as a guest.

Admittedly, these are all unnecessary thoughts, but nevertheless, they were there and as it got the better of me, I went over and spoke to him and then the bride's mother!

I do empathise with fellow photographers who as guests can see that they may be in a better position to capture more pleasing shots, but it is unfortunate that they are not the photographer on the day. I, as a rule of thumb, will never take a DSLR with me - the most that I will have in my pocket will be a Canon S100 pocket camera, when attending weddings as a guest.

To summarize; as a human, seeing a guest behaving as a pro photographer, does affect my mindset and ultimately, it affects the final results, that is, unless there was a prior agreement to having multiple photographers which creates different expectations and a more accommodating mindset.

Professionalism for me, comes into play when I am expected to deliver the best value for money, and if I am distracted, then I believe, that clearly cannot happen!

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