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I am working through the Teach Yourself Photoshop book. I opened up a NEF file in Adobe Camera Raw.

In the text it says:

By shooting in raw you capture more information about the colors and tones in a scene.

When looking at a histogram it mentions that from left to right you have the tonal range. I always thought that this tonal range represents all the colours in the photo, but the book now differentiates between colors and tones.

So my questions are what are colors and what are tones?

I hope someone can help me with my confusion.

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marked as duplicate by mattdm, Michael Clark, inkista, TFuto, Hugo Jan 13 at 16:05

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Related to What does “Tone” mean? – Dragos Jan 12 at 13:47
This answer is all you need to know about tone in this context. – Michael Clark Jan 12 at 15:25

Using the term tone as an aspect of the hue and saturation of a color, along with its is more applicable to some of the other visual arts, such as painting. Even there though, the most classic sense of the usage of tonal value refers to the lightness of a color independent of its chromaticity. Please see the link at the bottom of this answer for a very in depth look at the usage of tone in the context of painting.

In the context of photography, though, tone generally refers primarily to luminance or brightness. Since the terminology was developed when monochromatic photography was the overwhelming norm, the "tonal value" of an object referred to how bright or dark it appeared in relation to other objects in the scene. Ansel Adams' Zone System placed objects of varying brightness in 11 different zones along a tonal scale from totally black to pure white.

"Shifting an object's tonal value" involved placing a color filter over the lens to make objects that were the color of the filter brighter in the captured image than similarly bright objects in the actual scene that were a different color. (In actuality the filter reduces the overall amount of light allowed to pass through the lens, but after exposure is compensated for this light loss it has the effect of making like colored items brighter while other items are darkened). For instance, placing a red filter over the lens would make the blue sky appear darker while making a field of red flowers under that sky appear lighter in relation to the sky than would be the case without the filter. Using a green filter would darken the blue sky while keeping dark green foliage brighter.

The book you are studying use the word "tones" in this way. The histogram shows a distribution of the various brightness level in a photo. The darkest tones are represented on the left, the brightest tones are represented on the right. When you see phrases such as tonal value, tonal range, tonal scale, etc. they are almost certainly referring to luminance, or brightness, when used in the context of photography.

If you see the phrase color tones, on the other hand, it usually refers to the hue and saturation of an object as well as its brightness. Since the book you are reading seems to keep the meaning of color distinct from the meaning of tones, it doesn't appear your book uses the term color tones in this way.

Color refers to to the various hues created by the mixture of varying levels of red, green, and blue present in the photo. Red, green, and blue are the colors that cameras measure. Purple is a mix of red and blue. Orange is a mix of green and red with more red than green. Yellow is a mix of green and red with more green than red. All of the colors in the color space with which our cameras and monitors are capable of capturing and displaying are various combinations of red, green, and blue.

Here's an in-depth article that discusses the concepts of color and tone in the context of selecting pigments for creating a painting. Even there references to tone generally refer to luminance.

Tonal value

Lightness, which artists traditionally refer to as value or tonal value, is the light or dark of a color independent of its chromaticity (hue and chroma).

Given all the space devoted to hue in color theory, it is surprising to learn that value is the most important design element of a painting. It is hard to overstate the importance of good value structure to the impact of visual art.

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Hmmm. I think @Octopus's answer clearly contradicts your thesis. The color picture shown there has one bar for value, and another two-dimensional box showing both saturation and value. There's no label, but I think it's perfectly reasonable to call that box "tones". – mattdm Jan 13 at 16:30
Adams, of course, was primarily working in black and white, making his use of the term somewhat specialized. Without colorfulness, tone is just value. – mattdm Jan 13 at 16:35
One can use a word however one wishes. In photography the historical usage of tone primarily refers to luminance value. Even in the context of color photography, the usage of tone apart from the word color has been primarily about luminance. Octopus's answer also points out that HSV divides saturation and value into two separate components. In his chart the horizontal dimension is saturation, the vertical dimension is the tonal value. – Michael Clark Jan 13 at 16:58
So, under this definition, shouldn't the book have said "colors, tones, and saturations"? I'm not really convinced. – mattdm Jan 14 at 3:59
Hue and saturation are components that always fall under the larger category of color. Tone, when properly used in the context of photography, is a category that refers to luminance, whether B&W or color is the medium. Just because some folks misuse a word doesn't validate that usage when there is a preponderance of prior usage that indicates otherwise. – Michael Clark Jan 14 at 9:51

Traditionally in art, there are several different words used to talk about what we might less precisely all refer to as "color". They are:

  • Hue: this is the property that means the color itself, regardless of how bright, dark, or pure it is. Blue, orange, red, green, purple, yellow — these are hues. This is the position on a color wheel, basically. (Including all the infinity between the primaries and secondaries.)

  • Colorfulness: This is the impression of whether something appears to be more or less colorful (as opposed to gray). This is closely related to saturation, which is how colorful something appears for its brightness. (Hue and colorfulness together make up the more technical term chromaticity.)

  • Value: And this is simply the brightness. (In more technical use, you may also see luminance and luma, which are other ways of referring to basically the same thing, but with different math behind it.)

  • Tint, shade, and tone: The first two of these come directly from mixing paint: add white to a color to make a tint, or black to make a shade. Collectively, "tone" is the range of possibilities mixed with any amount of white, gray, or black. "Tone" is a way of referring to both value and colorfulness/saturation together. In other contexts, though (because language is often messy), people may use it to just mean brightness/value.

When someone talks in general about colors and tones as in your quote, generally what they mean is: collectively, all of this. The phrase refers to all the possibilities of adjustment — both hue and colorfulness and brightness, rather than just the brightness or just the position on the color wheel.

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The opening paragraph of this article totally contradicts your position, even in the context of selecting materials for creating a painting. – Michael Clark Jan 14 at 10:23
The question above makes it a given that the book the OP is trying to understand makes a distinction between the meaning of color from the meaning of tone. In that context I think your answer just adds confusion by arguing that tone can also be the same thing as saturation. The question is pretty clear that the book referenced makes color and tone two distinct terms. Your answer argues that it's really one term: Color & tones. – Michael Clark Jan 14 at 10:37
You are really confusingly putting words into my mouth. I do not say at all that "tone can be the same thing as saturation". I think that's already clear but I'll reword to make it more so. – mattdm Jan 14 at 10:42
And I also don't understand where you think I'm saying it is "one term", except maybe that I put both in bold together in the paragraph where I explain that when both terms are used together they are meant to be comprehensive of all possibilities — which includes different saturations, even though you for some reason want it not to. – mattdm Jan 14 at 10:45
Clarification: I think your answer certainly argues that tone can mean value + saturation. – Michael Clark Jan 14 at 10:48

My explanation includes a graphic to hopefully help make it clearer.

The bar on the right is the hues. The square to the left contains all of the tones of a particular hue. Any particular tone is described with two dimensions, the vertical dimension (in this representation), sometimes referred to as brightness or value and the horizontal dimension, also known as saturation.

Brightness and value can sometimes be technically different as well depending on context, but they are very similar terms.

The triad we are looking at here are often referred to as hue, saturation and value (or HSV). Or as it relates to your question, color and tone.

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"When looking at a histogram it mentions that from left to right you have the tonal range."

The tonal range in that statement is really only referring to the rightmost vertical slice of our tone square above, so really just the fully saturated brightness. When you consider that one slice from each of the three additive primary colors; red, green and blue; you can make up all of the colored pixels in any image.

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To tie this to my answer a bit, although it doesn't usually come up in photographic use, one can think of the top horizontal edge of the "tones" box as the tints (the hue mixed with white) and the right vertical edge as the shades (the hue mixed with black). – mattdm Jan 13 at 16:32
One could argue that the components in HSV could also be labeled color, saturation, and tone. Saturation in the large box is along the horizontal axis, tone is along the vertical axis. – Michael Clark Jan 13 at 17:01

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