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In my search for a perfect photo management application (I know :) I've been doing a bit of comparison between the few applications that seem attractive to me feature / cost wise. One of the more important differences is that some applications save metadata into the images (overwriting the originals in a way) and some save it into their databases.

Although I prefer to keep the originals always untouched, I can see how the approach of having all metadata with the image itself could prove beneficial.

Are there any non obvious advantages/disadvantages to one approach or the other, and what is generally considered best practice (aware, that this is somewhat subjective, so if you could give a reason or two)?

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A similar question has already been asked, if memory serves (which is also doubtful :), but I've been unable to find it. If somebody stumbles upon it, a link to it would be terrific :) –  ldigas Feb 9 at 22:19

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This seems to be a highly polarizing thing. While I would never choose a software that modifies my images in any way, I know people who would not choose one that would not store the metadata in files!

The issue is that if the metadata is external than files are not touched. On my system, images are mounted on a read-only partition so I guarantee that no software can change them which has a few advantages which are important to me:

  • The files never change: This means the file-date is always the same and reflect the time of capture. The OS can be used to find and sort the files just as it would any other files.
  • The files never change: Backups continue incrementally and do not duplicate or invalidate any file. Each file occurs only once in the 3rd level backup which is on optical-disks.
  • The files never change: There is no risk of inadvertent corruption, damage or overwriting due to errors in the imaging application. Corruption and loss are obviously still possible which is why I have 3 levels of backups.

The advantage cited for having metadata in the file is that these two cannot be separated and they always travel together when copying or moving files.

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True. What are your experiences; have you had any troubles when transferring the images from one computer to the other with the external metadata? I prefer this approach, but since I work with three machines ... –  ldigas Feb 9 at 22:45
Nope but I generally do not move my images between computers except for a full upgrade. When showing, sending or printing images, I use the Publish feature of Lightroom which optionally embeds metadata in the output file which is eventually discarded. I suppose it would be more cumbersome if the file had to come back for collaborative editing fox example. –  Itai Feb 9 at 22:48
Just one more specific question/example; my files are generally stored on the external HDD. Does lightroom support storing metadata in a database in a folder where the image files are (every folder having its own database)? Or some similar scheme that would be convenient for easy moving between computers (all relevant data along with images on external drive)? –  ldigas Feb 9 at 23:00
The unit of Lightroom data is the Catalog. Only one catalog can be opened at one time but you are free to use as many or as few as you like. You could use one catalog per HDD for example but there is no per-directoy automatic option. There is yet another where Lightroom stores metada in XMP side-car, one per file. Even if you have Lightroom write back to files, it still needs a catalog to open. This is how that software works and it may be worth while to see how others such as AfterShot Pro work. That one apparently allows cataloged and non-cataloged workflow, but I have not tried it. –  Itai Feb 10 at 0:36
@MichaelKjörling - First level is a nightly sync from the source which are on a pair of SSDs unto a standard HDD. Second level is bi-weekly from the internal SSDs to external SSDs (not to copy possible errors from the 1st level) and third level is a stack of Blu-Rays burned in duplicate (one set for home and one for a safe at the bank). The entire stack of optical disks gets refreshed every 5 or so years to avoid long-term corruption. Yes, I know, an online copy is missing in case the city gets leveled! –  Itai Feb 12 at 3:57

A big problem with storing Metadata in images is that formats like JPEG EXIF have proprietary metadata, called "makernotes" produced by camera makers, editing any EXIF data can result in the complete loss of the proprietary metatdata.

For example, using recent versions of Picasa to assign a title to an image results in the loss of all Nikon's proprietary data about the lens used and the camera settings (exposure compensation used etc). Older versions of Picasa didn't have this problem (presumably they used a different code-base for this feature). This is an example of how some workflow that seems to work now, might have highly undesirable consequences in a later version of the software you use.

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Interesting. I did not encounter that but indeed Google was paranoid about viruses embedded in files and so often reencoded images which meant that even their lossless rotation* was not lossless and significantly reduced image-size on cameras with extremely low compression like Pentax's K-series when IQ is set to 4-star. This is now gone with the transition to Ricoh. –  Itai Feb 10 at 0:40

If you'll carefully select a right DAM solution that will not damage your existing metadata while updating your images (as RedGrittyBrick said) you will have more benefits with saving your metadata to images:

  • You can easily recover all your image descriptions (and hundreds of hours of your hard work) from metadata in case of your database failure. Just answer to a question: whether you are ready to start annotate your image collection again.
  • You can embed your copyrights to images so others can not illegally them
  • You are not tight with your DAM solution and can easily migrate to another DAM solution later. So at least consider to using a DAM solution that allows you to store metadata in images if you'll need it at some day.
  • You can exchange information between two applications on the metadata level: for example use Publishing, Editing and your DAM tool.

Of course, the above said is true if your DAM solution is a mature product with a proven track of customers, and your metadata will be correctly written into the images according to XMP/MWG specification.

And of course you need to backup your image originals and arrange an automatic, daily backups of your database.

Avoid DAM solutions with the following issues:

  • Limited support of metadata standards. Random support for XMP or Native Format Specific metadata.
  • Incorrectly written metadata that can’t be read in the same way it was written. For example, very few products can save/read correctly hierarchical keywords and split the location into Region\Country\State\City\Location according to IPTC\XMP\MWG specifications.
  • Limited succes in writing metadata for various formats, including Camera RAW, PNG or PDF.
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Out of your list of advantages to storing metadata in the image file proper: #1 is covered by backups, which you'll need anyway in any sensible work flow. (Just include the database/catalog/whateveritiscalled.) #2 is moot, as metadata can easily be removed and by itself does not prevent unauthorized use (although it might make it easier to prove an image is yours if you come across it). #3 can be handled by metadata import/export functionality or third-party tools. #4 is a possible advantage. –  Michael Kjörling Feb 11 at 8:56
#1. Part of your database might be corrupted and you will not see this issue immediatelly (let's say after a week). If your backups run in the night and you'll have a problem with your database at the evening, you will loss a day work. #2. Yep, but this is an additional info about your rights, and some photo sharing sites will extract and publish your copyrights along with some other metadata information. #3. Your current DAM solution might not be in the import list of your future DAM solution let's say after 5 years. While all serious DAMs must be able to extract metadata from documents. –  Murat from Daminion Software Feb 11 at 16:29

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