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I am making a research to buy my first full-frame camera and I have 2 options, one Canon and other Nikon. Talking about the comparison in-between the d800 and the 5d mark III for example, the low light performance seems to me an important subject. So, How can I make a technical review of this subject as opposite of the common trend to make this very subjective?

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What research have you done so far? Which way are you leaning and why? –  Jakub Feb 4 '14 at 3:01
Both are awesome cameras with excellent low light capabilities. Working pros I know who regularly use both feel the Nikon does better at low ISO/long exposures and the Canon does better at high ISO/short exposures in low light. The exception is astrophotography, where even at low ISO/long exposures some Nikons tend to eliminate very dim stars as "noise". I think it has to do with the way each manufacturer approaches NR. One approach works better against read noise (most significant at low ISO) and the other works better against shot noise (most significant at high ISO). –  Michael Clark Feb 4 '14 at 3:40
Maybe take the brands out of it, and ask "rather than looking at sample images and subjectively judging which is better, is there any objective measurement of noise that can definitively tell whether body A performs better than body B under various conditions" –  MikeW Feb 4 '14 at 7:20
Thanks for the edit, much better. –  John Cavan Feb 4 '14 at 11:38
There is no way to make the comparison non-subjective as the choice of metrics, weightings assigned and complex interactions that are not well defined by any tests that can be consistently applied to all cameras involved requires personal choices. Sony make the sensors for high end Nikons, yet DxO optics low light benchmark rates the Sony full frame A99 at 1600 ISO and the D600 & D800 over 50% higher (the pellucid mirror does contribute significantly to this) . Much on web comments suggest the 5dMkIII to be "superior" to the D800 but DxO ratings are reversed. If you REALLY want to compare ... –  Russell McMahon Feb 5 '14 at 9:37

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It is quite possible that each camera performs better in some specific low light situations than the other, and I think that is the case with these two specific cameras.

Low light performance is a pretty general term.

Usually when someone talks about low light performance they are talking about how much or how little noise is present in an image shot in low light. But that is still a little nebulous. Are you talking about shooting long exposures of stationary scenes at low ISO? Or are you talking about shooting shorter exposures of moving subjects at higher ISO settings? In the first instance read noise at low ISO is the primary concern. The Nikon D800 wins here. In the second instance signal to noise ratio at high ISO is the primary consideration, and the Canon 5D Mark III wins there.

As this long and highly technical answer to a question regarding dynamic range explains at length, there is more than one kind of digital noise. In the third paragraph from the end the comparison between the D800 and the 5D Mark III are highlighted. Because of the differences in how the two cameras makers approach noise reduction, Nikon does better at low ISOs where the primary concern is read noise and Canon does better at high ISO where signal to noise ratio is of greater concern.

Are you talking about auto focus performance in low light? With what kind of lenses? The Canon 5D Mark III shares the best AF system of any 35mm format DSLR in the world with the Canon 1D X, especially when using lenses with apertures of f/2.8 or wider. This is because some of the focus points in that system are tuned to work at f/2.8 where they can be more sensitive and more accurate than focus points tuned to function with lenses having a smaller maximum aperture. Canon is very open about which focus points are sensitive at which f-numbers. Nikon is more secretive at this point, but it is generally accepted knowledge that focus points in Nikon DSLRs are tuned to work with lenses that have a maximum aperture of f/5.6 or even f/8. So if you plan to shoot in low light with wide aperture lenses the Canon AF system will probably perform better than the Nikon. If you are going to shoot with slower zoom lenses, this may not be the case as much.

Both are awesome cameras with excellent low light capabilities. You can't go wrong with either one! I know working pros who regularly use both. They feel the Nikon does better at low ISO/long exposures and the Canon does better at high ISO/short exposures in low light. The exception is astrophotography, where even at low ISO/long exposures some Nikons tend to eliminate very dim stars as "noise".

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Sites like DXoMark attempt to make a technical, non-subjective way of comparing them, but, particularly when comparing low light performance across models, things fall apart pretty quickly. Nikon uses a higher level of automatic noise reduction and provides algorithms for DXo to use in their testing where as Canon does not, so the way DXo goes about it, Nikon's consistently score better despite that going strongly counter to the real world experiences with the cameras.

Your best bet is really going to be to look for real world samples of both that you can look at for the level of detail in the images and how it balances with the level of noise. It is still subjective a bit, but viewing images is a subjective thing. It doesn't matter that an image is "technically" 90 times noisier if it subjectively looks cleaner (by some miracle). Both the D800 and 5D Mark iii are amazingly strong low light cameras, though neither is a miracle worker either.

I personally compared both cameras and decided to go with the Canon after looking at sample images and comparing all the options and advantages of each, but honestly the biggest factor for me was that I know Canon's control scheme better than Nikon's, so it simply felt more natural to me. Low light performance was a minor distinction and I did prefer the 5D slightly, but it was too close to be a major deciding factor for me.

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