Incense

by Bart Arondson

submit your photo


Hall of Fame
View past winners from this year

Please participate in Meta
and help us grow.

Take the 2-minute tour ×
Photography Stack Exchange is a question and answer site for professional, enthusiast and amateur photographers. It's 100% free, no registration required.

I am looking for a secondary zoom lens for my Fashion Shoots. I'll be using the 50mm 1.4 as my primary go-to lens and the zoom for everything else. I was wondering which of those lenses perform better on the wide end area and which one is better value for money, since it will be used as secondary, probably 30% of time. I tend to shoot in low light, street locations and I am wondering if there is a huge difference from f4 to f2.8. Not looking for details, just for something that gets the job done nicely.

share|improve this question
2  
I have all three of these. I use the 24-70 almost exclusively. I only use the 50, when I know I need the extra stop, and the 24-105 for video (it has IS). The 24-70 is as sharp as your 50mm, will focus faster, has a wonderfully flexible focus range, and a terrible value for the money. –  Patrick Hurley Nov 12 '13 at 12:17
    
Thanks. I choose the 50mm as it's my favourite DOF and is more unintrusive than a zoom lens. I am just wondering whether I should go for the 24-105 since I will be using it mostly for my Wide-Angle shots. –  polyglot Nov 12 '13 at 12:25
1  
Exactly which 24-70 f/2.8 are you referring to? That makes a big difference in image quality comparisons. Also, if your most important criteria is value for the money the 24-105mm is exactly that, a great value. I would end your search there. –  dpollitt Nov 12 '13 at 13:49
1  
@MichaelClark - ah, guess the price on that one dropped since I last looked at it. Never mind, at that price difference, I'd probably change to the 24-105 for value unless you need the low light motion stoping or really want sharpness. –  AJ Henderson Nov 12 '13 at 22:01
2  
@MichaelClark - also, this is a great example of why shopping questions don't age well. :) –  AJ Henderson Nov 12 '13 at 22:03

3 Answers 3

up vote 2 down vote accepted

A lot depends on which 24-70mm f/2.8 lens you are comparing to the EF 24-405mm f/4 L IS.

There are three very good 24-70mm f/2.8 lenses you could consider:

  • Canon EF 24-70mm f/2.8 L II This lens is the most expensive at a little over $2,000 U.S., but is the sharpest from 24mm all the way to 70mm at f/2.8. But at the wide end where you want to use it there isn't a lot of difference between it and the other two 24-70 lenses listed below.
  • Tamron SP 24-70mm f/2.8 Di VC This lens is a great value that hangs with the Canon "II" until between about 35mm and 50mm. From there to 70mm when both are wide open at f/2.8 the Canon is sharper, but not by a lot. But this lens also includes Vibration Control (VC), Tamron's version of IS. It sells for around $1,300 US and is an excellent value. I have seen it for as low as $1,000 U.S, during recent special promotions and is very attractive at that price.
  • Canon EF 24-70mm f/2.8 L This is the older version of the Canon. While very good, it is a step behind both the Canon "II" and the new Tamron at longer focal lengths when used wide open at f/2.8. Used prices vary, but in general they are higher than the Tamron (and the going price when this lens was in production), but lower than the Canon "II".

At 24mm and f/2.8 all of theses lenses perform very well and close to each other. The older Canon is not quite as sharp in the center, but is just as sharp at the edges. When used at f/2.8, the Canon II starts to pull away from the Tamron and older Canon somewhere between 35mm and 50mm. The most difference between these lenses is at 70mm and f/2.8 where the "II" is clearly sharper, especially on the edges. At f/4 there is very little difference between the Canon "II" and the Tamron until between 50mm and 70mm. By f/5.6 there is no real difference between any of these three lenses at or below 50mm, but the older Canon is a little softer on the edges above 50mm. There is no real difference between the Canon "II" and the Tamron at f/5.6 or narrower at any focal length. Side-by-side comparison of theses three lenses at DxO Mark. Ignore the overall scores, they are weighted more for things you (and I) probably aren't as concerned about. Click on "Measurements-->Sharpness-->Profiles" and play around with the focal lengths and apertures for each lens to see how they compare. The left of the chart is center sharpness, the right is edge sharpness. You can also compare vignetting, chromatic aberration, distortion, and T-stop values this way.

The Canon EF 24-105mm f/4 L IS is the other lens you mentioned. It is my favorite "walk around" lens. At 24mm and f/4 it is just as sharp as the Canon 24-70 II or the Tamron 24-70 from the center out to about 40% of the frame (almost the entire frame on an APS-C body) and then slightly softer from there to the edges. At 35mm there is no real difference at f/4. But from 50mm and above the 24-105 looses ground to both the Canon II and the Tamron 24-70. It is still very good, just not quite at the same level as the 24-70 lenses. The good news is that from 70m to 105mm the sharpness of this lens stays fairly constant and gives you a little more reach than the 24-70mm lenses do. Side-by-side comparison of the Canon 24-70 II, the Tamron 24-70, and the Canon 24-105 at DxO Mark. Please see the instructions above regarding the other comparison.

For your stated purpose of shooting at focal lengths below 50mm, the best value would either be the Tamron SP 24-70mm f/2.8 Di VC or the Canon EF 24-105mm f/4 L IS. The Canon II doesn't give you that much more performance in terms of IQ until about 50mm and above, it lacks IS, and costs twice as much. Both The Tamron 24-70 and the Canon 24-105 have very good image stabilization. If you shop around and can wait for promotions that have been fairly frequent for both lenses lately the Canon is a little cheaper at around $800, the Tamron gives you f/2.8 for about $200 more. Since you say you tend to shoot in low light I'd go for the Tamron if I were you.

Note: This answer was written based on the assumption you are using a Canon Full Frame body. If you are shooting APS-C, the ideal lens for your stated usage would be the Canon EF-S 17-55mm f/2.8 IS. It is sharper than the EF 24-105mm f/4 L IS and the list price for it has been recently lowered by Canon. It can be had for around $830 U.S. It is every bit the optical match of its "L" series cousins, but Canon does not designate any of their EF-S lenses as "L" glass.

Shot with the EF 24-105mm f/4 L IS at 24mm and f/4, 1/100 second, ISO 1000. Canon 5D Mark II. Cropped slightly and then downsized for web viewing. The detail of the Sousaphone holds up very well in the full resolution version.

24-105 sample at 24mm f/4

share|improve this answer
    
well detailed and thoroughly comprehensive recommendation. thanks! –  polyglot Nov 13 '13 at 9:46

What 24-70? I or II?

To be honest, both lenses are good, both have strengths and weaknesses - in the end, you trade a wider aperture for IS or IS for a wider aperture. When I got my 5D MK II I had a similar issue - get the 24-70 f2.8 L (v1) or the 24-105 f4 IS L as a kit lens - I went for the 24-70.

My reasoning is that you can simulate IS (with a tripod) but you cannot simulate a wider aperture on an f4 lens, obviously you also trade some reach. In addition, traditionally, wider aperture lenses are often the "better glass" because they are more sensitive to minor misalignments, BUT smaller aperture lenses can be equally good.

The biggest real life difference will be the weight of the lens - the 24-70 (v1) is a lot heavier than the 24-105. Else? The 24-70 (v1) has some bad and some bad copied floating about - for some it is very sharp, others have issues with it. I have seen no such reports about the 24-105. Then again, the 24-70 f2.8 II is supposed to be one of the sharpest lenses around.

If you want to look at a static comparison, I can only recommend the lens comparison tool from the digital picture: http://www.the-digital-picture.com/Reviews/ISO-12233-Sample-Crops.aspx?Lens=101&Camera=453&Sample=0&FLI=0&API=0&LensComp=355&CameraComp=0&FLIComp=0&APIComp=0

share|improve this answer
1  
You can "simulate" a wider aperture by using a larger sensor :) Maybe not practical on full frame, but it is for APS-C users. –  dpollitt Nov 12 '13 at 16:02
    
Good point - however I don't think the OP wants to change his camera, still you are correct. –  DetlevCM Nov 12 '13 at 16:21
    
Actually I don't even see what format the user is on unless it is hidden in some comment. If they are on APS-C I would seriously consider moving to FF for the shallow DoF advantage. –  dpollitt Nov 12 '13 at 18:19

If you can afford it, I'd personally go with the 24-70 f/2.8 II. While it isn't as fast as your 1.4, it is very close to as sharp. You could honestly get away with the 24-70 f/2.8 II being your primary lens and it takes gorgeous photos. It was the first f/2.8 I bought and prompted me to buy the 70-200 f/2.8 IS II shortly thereafter.

The 24-105 f/4 is by no means a slouch, but it is nowhere near the 24-70 f/2.8 II (compared to the 24-70 f/2.8 (original) on the other hand, I'm not so sure). I actually got the 24-105 as a loaner along with a 24-70 f/2.8 II as a loaner and the actual image performance was substantially sharper on the 2.8. For non-moving subjects shot freehand, the stabilization nicely compensated for the f/4, however with any moving subjects in low light, the f/2.8 did fine while the f/4 images were either barely or not at all usable. My order would probably be 24-70 f/2.8 II by a mile, then the 24-105 as a distant second with the 24-70 f/2.8 (original) slightly behind the 24-105.

Update: Based on the updated pricing that I've been informed is available on the 24-105, I'd go with that unless you need the low light motion freezing or you really want the sharpness. Overall, the 24-105 is a better value at $800 than the 24-70 II at $2000 unless you need the top sharpness and speed.

share|improve this answer
1  
I find the corners to be much better on the 24-70s over the 24-105. But in the center and mid not that different. That is part of the reason the 24-105 is still great on APS-C. –  dpollitt Nov 12 '13 at 16:03
    
@dpollitt - hmm, I noticed a difference even on the center for my test units, but they also had had a fair bit of abuse and it was when the 24-70 was still pretty new, so it's possible that the 24-105 I got my hands on had simply seen more abuse. I was also testing on FF so corners were more obvious. What really showed it for me was fine detail on my cat's fur on her head. Looking back at the sample, it was a little bit left of center though, so it would be the corner of the image on an APS-C. –  AJ Henderson Nov 12 '13 at 16:07

Your Answer

 
discard

By posting your answer, you agree to the privacy policy and terms of service.

Not the answer you're looking for? Browse other questions tagged or ask your own question.