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I like to keep track of where I take a picture, and of course, what is in the picture. Often the two are not the same: I might be on top of a mountain, taking a picture of another peak.

I have the following key-word-tree:

...
LOCATION>Example>Place
SUBJECT MATTER>Location>Example>Place
...

I use smart collections to keep track of what pictures have not been key-worded yet. Normally I do the LOCATION key-wording first, since it is the easiest. Sometimes I might assign a SUBJECT MATTER keyword before I assign the SUBJECT MATTER>Location keyword.

Since Lightroom 4 does not respect case-sensitivity of key-words in smart collections, I can't make a list with keywords that don't have the Location tag, since Lightroom treats LOCATION the same way. Is there a way that I can make a smart collection that only has pictures in it that don't have the SUBJECT MATTER>Location keyword, without excluding images that have a SUBJECT MATTER>Something>Else or LOCATION>Some>Place keyword? If possible I would like to keep my key-word-tree the way it is (Not change the SUBJECT MATTER>Location keyword.)

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When I am faced with such a problem, I put something easier to match in as an un-exported synonym for the keyword:

LOCATION keyword definition

Now I can search for Contains Words → !shotfrom and be certain of finding only photos that are missing a LOCATION keyword, as opposed to a SUBJECT MATTER > Location keyword.

That's a bit of a little-known tip there, by the way: Contains Words in combination with the rarely-seen ! operator does something that Doesn't Contain fails to do: a negative match on an exact word. A Doesn't Contain match is a partial-word match. This trick gets you the missing Doesn't Contain Word feature.

This only works when you have a complete word, which is why I spelled it as shotfrom rather than shot from or shot-from. Both spellings are considered two words in Lightroom.

Not that you asked, but I avoid this particular problem by using Lightroom's geotagging feature for "shot-from" and use keywords for "shot-of." If I want to find photos taken from a particular location, I can pick them from the Map module.

Yes, this means I do go in and add geolocation information to photos that don't have it from the camera. I actually have a Smart Collection that reminds me when I have a photo that is clearly missing geolocation information. The Smart Collection skips things where the keywords excuse the lack of a geotag, such as studio, in which case it doesn't actually matter where it was shot.

Think about it this way: if you take a ¾ shot of a friend, do you add a keyword for the type of shoes they were wearing at the time? I don't; they're not in the shot. The same logic goes for not including "shot-from" in the keyword set.

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100% what I was looking for, thanks! –  DudeOnRock 18 hours ago
    
@DudeOnRock: Well, I'm glad it's still useful to you 2 years after you asked. :) –  Warren Young 18 hours ago

Try using Keywords Starts With instead of Keywords Contains. This should allow you to look for ones that don't have an entry for the particular header you are looking for since they look for a match starting from the beginning of the lookup.

Update: Now that I see what you are trying to do, I don't think what you are trying to do is logically what it is actually doing. Hierarchies imply membership in a set. If a lower level keyword is specified, the parent keywords are implied. Thus, if any SUBJECT MATTER has Location, then everyone of them has that same Location unless it is going to a different instance of SUBJECT MATTER.

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Unless I misunderstand what you are suggesting, starts with and ends with seem to be specific to INDIVIDUAL key-words, and appear to have no affect on parent/child key-word-combinations in a nested key-word tree. Just to clarify, I used the > symbol to show parent-child relationships between keywords, just like Lightroom does. The key-words separated by > are individual, nested, key-words. –  DudeOnRock Jun 13 '13 at 3:00
    
Ah, hmm, I've personally not used keywords much. Can you maybe add a screenshot of what your current smart collection configuration looks like? –  AJ Henderson Jun 13 '13 at 4:10
    
As I'm reading more about nested keywords, I'm not sure how what you are trying to do works in terms of the keyword model. As I understand it, each keyword further into a hierarchy implies the others above it. Thus, if SUBJECT MATTER>Location, then I don't see how SUBJECT MATTER>Something>Else is possible. At the very least, SUBJECT MATTER implies Location since it is a type of Location. –  AJ Henderson Jun 13 '13 at 4:23
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Using the example I'm reading up from dog>mammal>animal means that all future dogs are both a mammal and an animal. You might also be able to do dog>pet, but then any use of dog is going to result in a set of dog, pet, mammal, animal. –  AJ Henderson Jun 13 '13 at 4:24
    
@coneslayer - That example is directly from Adobe documentation. If you think about it, it makes sense too because one points to the next. Dog > (is a) Mammal > (is a) Animal. There is an option using | that goes in the other order with largest grouping first. As for multiple different versions of a "Dog" keyword. I'm not sure if it recognizes different versions of the same word or not or if the same keyword is placed in both groups. I'm not sure how it would differentiate though based on the simplest form of entry (typing the keyword). –  AJ Henderson Jun 13 '13 at 13:22

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