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Let's say you've got a set of photos in a trip and, apart from a few really noteworthy, all others are nice photos, but not so much for you to spend a lot of time processing on them. In such circumstances, what is your normal workflow (I am particularly interested about LR4 with or without Nik Software)?

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Not really a full answer: my "don't care photos" find there way directly into the bin, if I didn't delete those earlier in the camera. –  Pavlo Dyban Feb 22 '13 at 13:58
    
Are you presenting them or not? Who are you presenting them to and where? Are you a professional? If they are staying on your hard drive never to be seen, tag them/flag/star as such and stop working on them. If not then process them as necessary for the results you need. Do you have a real problem you are trying to solve here? –  dpollitt Feb 22 '13 at 15:20
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Recycle bin. Life's too short. You've processed and saved the best ones in JPEG (I shoot in RAW) - just dump the rest and move on. You don't want 20,000 photos in a "I'll get around to spending 20 mins on each of these one day" folder, because you never will. –  Poldie Feb 22 '13 at 19:05

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I'm not sure I ever have images I truly don't care about at all. I'm always for keeping them or against keeping them, at least.

My System

I use stars and flags in Lightroom:

  • Reject: Photos I will be deleting as soon as I complete the current pass, if I'm at home.

    I defer deletion when I am working away from home on a laptop. I wait until I have merged the on-the-road library with my main home library and backed that up before I delete anything from the laptop. Two is one, one is none.

    (I don't erase my filled CF cards on the road for the same reason.)

  • ★: Photos which are "bad" in some way, but which I have to keep for some reason. They may be unattractive, out of focus, under/overexposed, purely documentary, etc.

    An example of documentary photos are those of tourist attraction signs. They go with a set of photos taken at that place and serve only to document the shoot. Such photos are rarely worth showing to others in their own right. In a sense, they are just a kind of metadata, the sort we had before GPS tagging.

  • ★★: Technically acceptable photos which are nevertheless unattractive.

    An example of such photos are my home inventory pictures, and a lot of family and snapshot work.

    Such photos have inherent value for me, but I likely won't ever show them to anyone else.

  • ★★★: Good photos. The meat-and-potatoes of my library.

    This is probably as close as I get to "don't care." These photos are in focus, well-composed, and attractive enough to avoid dropping to a ★★ rating. Yet, I tend to avoid showing them to others unless I find myself without higher-rated photos of the same subject, so I rarely spend much time working on them. At most, I might crop them, straighten a horizon line, remove dust spots, and apply a global adjustment with Ctrl/⌘-Shift-V.

    I sometimes use ★★★ photos in slideshows as narrative glue. I prefer to find a ★★★★+ photo to serve the same purpose if I can, of course, but sometimes I have to fall back to a ★★★ photo.

    This is my threshold for off-site backup. Except for home inventory and family photos, I don't bother to include ★★ photos in off-site backups, and I don't back-up ★ photos off-site at all. The idea being, if my house is hit by a meteor, I won't drop any tears over losing such low-rated photos. I'm willing to keep them around as long as it's "free," but I'm not going to pay off-site storage fees to maintain their existence through a disaster.

    The "middle" photo of an HDR set is usually ★★★, since there has to be enough beauty present to be worth attempting an HDR. Yet, there must be room for improvement for the same reason: if the middle shot is ★★★★★ in its own right, why bother with HDR? The under- and over-exposed shots in the set get rated ★ or ★★. If the HDR conversion improves the shot, it gets rated one or two stars above the middle shot. If the experiment fails, I toss everything but the normally-exposed "middle" shot.

  • ★★★★: Great photos. These are photos that make me happy enough that I'm willing to show them to others without reservation.

    Such photos appear in web galleries, slideshows, etc.

  • ★★★★★: Perfect photos. These photos are beautiful, well-lit, properly composed, and usually technically flawless. Occasionally a photo's uncommon beauty will allow me to accept it into this rare set despite small technical flaws.

The higher the rating, the more redundant backups I have.

In my system, every photo gets a rating or gets rejected. The only photos that are unrated are those I've imported but haven't yet bothered to make a decision about. I have a Smart Collection that warns me about such photos, reminding me that I have to do something about them.

If you find yourself with months-old unrated photos, either give them a token rating (★) or give them the boot. You clearly don't care enough about them to do anything else.

My Workflow

I call my workflow for getting photos into this scheme THE CHAINSAW. Think of a chainsaw ice sculptor: he starts with a big block of unformed material and his job is to rapidly cut away everything he doesn't want.

In Lightroom, go to the Filter Bar and click Attribute. Clear any settings that may be here already, then click the middle of the three flags (unflagged) and set the Rating part to "equals no stars." Then save it as a Custom Filter, calling it THE CHAINSAW. I put it in all caps because I use it on every import, so I want to be able to pick it out of the list instantly. Plus, chainsaws are dramatic. (Feel free to pronounce the name in your WWF announcer voice.)

In a folder of unprocessed photos, turn off all the distractions: Ctrl/⌘-Shift-F, E, T, L. (Or L twice, if you prefer.) All you should see is the first "undecided" photo in this folder, full-screen.

Activate THE CHAINSAW (tthbbitrrrrrrr!), then put your fingers on the 1-4 keys and your thumb on the X key. I don't bother dedicating a finger to the 5 key since ★★★★★ photos are so rare; stretching from the 4 key is easy.

Then, taking at most a few seconds per photo, rip through the set, giving them an initial rating or rejection. Trust your expertise and go with your initial "flash" impression. If you find yourself dithering, it's probably a ★★★ photo; rate it and move on.

When all the photos are rated or rejected, delete the rejected photos: Ctrl/⌘-Backspace. (Defer as above if your backup methods are not available where you are working.)

Turn THE CHAINSAW off with Ctrl/⌘-L.

Then go back and start working on the ★★★+ photos. If there are a lot of them, do the ★★★★★ photos first, then ★★★★. Spend time on ★★★ photos only if you still have time left or find yourself needing a filler of some kind.

Excepting those that are part of an HDR set, ★ and ★★ photos never get any more attention at this stage. I typically put off HDR experiments until after I've gotten through the ★★★★+ photos at least.

Finally, I run my various Publish Services for on- and off-site backups, empty the Trash/Recycle Bin, and erase my CF cards. I may also schedule an on-exit catalog backup via Catalog Settings at this point.

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Great answer - similar to my own workflow, using the 1-5, X and P flags. I don't have THE CHAINSAW tho ;-) –  Mike Feb 22 '13 at 16:16
    
This is extremely similar to my workflow. I make a rating pass and then do touch up in reverse order until I get tired (for personal) or submit the rated sets to the customer for selection of which they would like touched up. Anything I reject goes to deletion, but I keep anything I rate normally, just because disk space is cheap. I normally touch up only 5s on huge sets and 5s and 4s on smaller sets. I rarely make it to 3s for personal work. –  AJ Henderson Feb 22 '13 at 16:30

"Don't care" photos? I don't edit them at all, so the only way they factor in my workflow is that I don't flag them with anything. Why spend time on something you don't care about? I'd delete them, but then again, I'm a digital packrat who only throws away really bad photos, such as badly focused ones.

Maybe you meant photos that are good but not great? Those, I usually just crop and sharpen, plus a bit of color correction and curves as needed.

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My filter for "I don't care" pictures are these steps:
1. Delete it on first source, that is your Camera.
2. Download images from camera immediately after shooting.
3. Preview all pictures, and delete relly bad ones.
4. You get picture set which is pretty good.
5. Search for pictures you would like to process.

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This kind of situation ussually happens to me when I'm part of a Photo Journey with the Photo Club I'm part of. Also I'm always carrying a camera and not all the photos taken with it are artistic ones, Most "don't care photos" are photos of fellow photographers making funny contorsions to get the right angle, or funny photos of friends or family fooling around.

Such photos are ften taken in raw and with some odd settings left from the prevoius inspired masterpiece. For such coming-from-the-trip folders full of photos my workflow is as follows:

  • Transfer all of them to my computer.
  • If they all fit in a CD or DVD, I burn a plain backup of both, JPG & Raw Files.
  • Run a first classification where I separate the "artistic" shots from all the others.
  • I mentally divide the "don't care" snapshots in groups acording mainly to the kind of key light for white balance purposes.
  • If the white balance of the shots is different from the supposed to be correct, I use my RAW processor and run a Batch conversion using the same parameters for White Balance, contrast, curves, saturation, etc. This is repeated for each group mentioned in the previous step. This step is also taken if the native JPG are bigger than needed, thus applying a downsampling resize (i.e. scale down) in order to reduce storage space.
  • Sometimes even these "don't care" shots are backed up to a CD or DVD as the might have sentimental value (a family trip for example).
  • Some of the shots get shared via a social network, family reunion, etc. mostly for fun or non delictive blackmailing ;)
  • Delete from my hard drive the RAW files. Only the reduced jpg files are kept.

This ensures that the entire documental shots are at least kept and propperly stored because I simply like to document everything. Some photos turn out to be valuable after a long time has passed because you suddenly realize a friend that you can't see anymore was portrayed last time in that waky pose while he/she was actually spoiling your shot.

As per the "artistic shot" attempts that went wrong, I delete them and keep in the hard dive only the RAW and the Finished JPG for the good shots. I dont care throwing away the "almost right" RAWs as they were all backed up at the beginning of the workflow.

By the way: I back up as soon as I can and before any editting just preventing any non reversible accidental step I may take.

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I'm not sure what information you're really asking for here. For images that don't warrant more extensive editing the it's just Adobe Camera Raw (the Photoshop plugin version of Lightroom) white balance / exposure compensation / rotation & cropping, all of which can be done in about 30 seconds. I keep the RAWs along with these edits stored in sidecar files, if I need the images I batch convert to JPEG using photoshop (I have a set of actions defined for different purposes, print, large screen viewing, web etc.)

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@mattdm sorry, I was using the mobile version of the site and it somehow dropped the comment here! :/ Removed! –  NULLZ Feb 23 '13 at 1:19

I use Aperture, which is a product similar to LightRoom.

When I have a bunch of, say vacation shots, I select an "Auto Enhance" preset in the import. This gives the images a little more contrast, vibrancy, and sharpness. This gives all the images a little more "pop". This is particularly needed because I only shoot in raw.

When looking through the images, and I find something worth working on, I simply reset all adjustments, and start all over. Often, I complete the image in Aperture, but if a little more editing is required, I open it in Photoshop. I also open the image in Photoshop if I am to apply any NIK filters. This is primarily because the NIK filters don't support non-destructive editing in Aperture, but they do in PS.

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