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Ok, so after reading this it got me thinking... After back and forth of whether ISO increases/decreases noise, does it actually do just that? As explained, the ISO in the camera turns up the amplitude of the signal (I'm not actually sure when, but I think it's after the light has hit the sensor) which carries noise along with it.

There were examples of low ISOs producing higher noise, but this was all after processing in Photoshop/Lightroom. The low ISO would have been very underexposed so would need a lot of processing to get it "properly" exposed. But it seems that doing that process is very similar to raising the ISO on your camera, it turns up the amplitude of the (well in the case of post processing) pixel (not signal because the picture has already been taken).

It seems to me that post processing just does a worse job at raising the "amplitude" because it hasn't got the raw data to process. But, it essentially does the same thing and results in, more noise.

So, what are the technicalities of exposure compensation for an underexposed image in post processing?

EDIT: Just to explain a little better, does anyone know of any algorithms or explain mathematically how brightness (or EV) is processed (in post-processing). Does it adjust the level of brightness/RBG/contrast for each pixel? Does it relate to the histogram?

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Do you mean to restrict this question to those particular Adobe products, or are you interested in exposure adjustments in post-processing in general? – mattdm Oct 12 '12 at 12:41
possible duplicate of What does it mean to brighten an image? – Itai Oct 12 '12 at 12:47
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I've read this twice and I'm still finding it quite a confusing question. Could you reword to strip out some of the more discursive parts and focus clearly on your core question? – Mark Whitaker Oct 12 '12 at 14:14
@mattdm Yeah, in general. Itai Kinda not really. :) Mark Whitaker Will do. (I was told that I can't at more than one person) – BBking Oct 13 '12 at 4:01
@Mark Whitaker Have I made it clearer yet? – BBking Oct 22 '12 at 1:43

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I know that we get all excited about having digital cameras, but the fact is that we don't. We have analog cameras that happen to have a digital output format (and a lot of digital circuitry that is not directly related to the image as well).

Whenever an analog signal is converted to a digital signal, you introduce quantization noise. That is, it's very unlikely that the signal going into the conversion will exactly match the value of the digital number that comes out the other end — think of it as truncation or rounding errors.

When you do post-processing on a digital image file, the quantization noise the camera added is "baked in". It doesn't matter what bit depth you're working with in post, the data that you are working with has both the analog (well, quantum) noise components (thermal and shot noise, amplifier distortion, etc.) and the quantization noise of the camera's output. The quality of the base data is not perfect, so any computation done on the faulty data will result in faulty output. GIGO, as they say.

In-camera, on the other hand, you get the opportunity to amplify (or attenuate) the analog signal before quantization. That doesn't help at all with noise in the analog domain, but it does reduce the quantization noise at a given brightness level.

Let's say that you have an analog value of 4.4 whatchamacallits. If you shoot using ISO 100, our hypothetical "digital" camera will convert that to a digital value of exactly 4. If you choose to increase the apparent exposure in post, you're stuck working with the 4, which is truncated. If you increase the ISO in the camera (by less than a full stop), that 4.4 will be amplified by analog circuitry before it's converted to digital, and may result in a 1-higher digital value than the all-digital processing computes. A single-bit difference may not sound like much, but when you start accumulating all of the errors along the way in processing, a given pixel might be quite a long way from the values it ought to have. That's what noise is.

(There is also the fact that the camera "knows" its own response characteristics, and can account for them in processing. Lightroom, for instance, doesn't do camera-specific, ISO-based sensor noise subtraction. Cameras can, though not all do.)

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Thanks Stan. Yeah, there is all types of noise in a photographic picture. So if you adjust the EV in PP, you also amplify that noise. Just as the ISO amplifies any noise. – BBking Oct 13 '12 at 4:13
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Bumping ISO and EV both amplify noise, but I think what Stan is saying is that adjusting ISO upwards in camera is better than bumping the exposure in post-processing (because you are essentially amplifying the signal before the quantization noise is introduced in the A/D step). – seanmc Oct 15 '12 at 0:21

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